TEW2020 Discussion Thread

[foolinc]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="K-Nection" data-cite="K-Nection" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What about the inclusion of letting the player add regions and game areas? That way every camp would be happy</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Allowing players to add new regions/areas would change a lot of the programming. There is also an issue with graphical templating and processing the extra code.</p><p> </p><p> That said, something that might be feasible in theory would be the ability to rename the regions to anything that you want. Right now that's impossible due to the region names being hard coded, but it could be possible (with work) to hard code generic names (region_01_01 instead of Great_Lakes) and set up another table to name all of the regions. You'd have the number of regions and areas, but could call them whatever you want.</p>

[shawn michaels]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Adam Ryland" data-cite="Adam Ryland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sure. India looks like it is has the potential to be a really big market down the line due to its size, political scene, and culture, so I think it's going to be far more important in the coming wrestling world than the two you mentioned. <p> </p><p> All three were debated, as was a Rest Of The World area (which was dropped because it was not feasible without having a negative impact on other features, not because it wasn't a fine idea), but ultimately there are space and processing time considerations to take into account and if only one area is going to be added, India is the clear choice for me.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's a shame we can't get rest of the world, but due to the reasons I pointed out before, with India being a market with big potential that everyone is trying to get into now, as you also stated, I would agree that it is better to have India if it comes down to choosing. However, as a Portuguese who is also aware of what goes on in Portuguese speaking countries, Brazil is growing in terms of wrestling and even NXT and WWE itself has paid some attention to it, even wrestlers were tried and signed. </p><p> </p><p> But given the explanation you give, yes, I understand the decision and actually agree with it if it was down to a choice of regions. Cheers. Thanks for the clarification.</p>

[Hashasheen]

<p>The Locations vs. Venue set up is very interesting, because this potentially opens the possibility of filing major cities and towns in regions if the example of London holds true.</p><p> </p><p>

The addition of Wales to the British Isles is a positive one for me, as is the renaming to Oceania. Mexico having more regions is also great news. Also holy s---, India just got thrown in. Not sure if that was the right time to bring it in, but it probably would have been between Brazil or India. </p><p> </p><p>

Not sure what Southern Mediterranean is going to be though. Greece & Italy? And what are Northern and Southern Europe here?</p><p> </p><p>

Edit: Hadn't seen the child company update, that could lead to a lot of new fresh dynasties being played.</p>

[cappyboy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Sigilistic" data-cite="Sigilistic" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> what sort of wrestling scene is there in Saudi Arabia? Qatar? UAE? I wager not much. Wrestling might be big there, but it doesn't seem to me that there is much, if any, of a local presence. Wrestling in the Middle East consists of WWE doing the occasional tour/government propaganda.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This would seem to be the larger point. Even without the political component, Bigpapa makes a good point about how the Saudi shows weren't promoted in a typical fashion. The parallel that jumped to my mind was the One Year Wrestling League diary we had here a few years back. The backstory there being that a Middle Eastern emir had footed the bill so the league was able to run a show every day. In both cases, they were special requests outside the common pro wrestling universe.</p><p> </p><p> Besides, my understanding of the wrestling scene in the Middle East has always been that they are far more interested in freestyle wrestling than so-called "show" wrestling. Which is what the TEW series has always been. Professional "show" wrestling. Of course, I could be transposing the Iranian perspective on the region as a whole. All I know for sure is I haven't heard much about this region as a pro wrestling market outside a couple anomalies promoted by one of the biggest of the big. Not in the way we'd think of it anyway.</p>

[fullMETAL]

Will TEW2020 offer support for transparent PNG pics for logos, profiles, etc, if it's not already doing so?

[K-Nection]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="foolinc" data-cite="foolinc" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Allowing players to add new regions/areas would change a lot of the programming. There is also an issue with graphical templating and processing the extra code.<p> </p><p> That said, something that might be feasible in theory would be the ability to rename the regions to anything that you want. Right now that's impossible due to the region names being hard coded, but it could be possible (with work) to hard code generic names (region_01_01 instead of Great_Lakes) and set up another table to name all of the regions. You'd have the number of regions and areas, but could call them whatever you want.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That I would get behind. If something I felt wasn't being properly represented I could swap it out. Or if I was working on a db super mod I could change them to universe 1 -12 so on and so forth</p>

[brianc2008]

<p>Today was a bit of a mixed bag.</p><p> </p><p>

I'm fine with the addition of India (wouldn't have minded Brazil either). The idea of expanding Mexico was fine in spirit, but not necessarily sold on the names. But give me time and I'll warm up to it.</p><p> </p><p>

But being able to see where the regions are in the game itself is a great idea. It will be very helpful, particularly to newcomers.</p>

[Hashasheen]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="cappyboy" data-cite="cappyboy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This would seem to be the larger point. Even without the political component, Bigpapa makes a good point about how the Saudi shows weren't promoted in a typical fashion. The parallel that jumped to my mind was the One Year Wrestling League diary we had here a few years back. The backstory there being that a Middle Eastern emir had footed the bill so the league was able to run a show every day. In both cases, they were special requests outside the common pro wrestling universe.<p> </p><p> Besides, my understanding of the wrestling scene in the Middle East has always been that they are far more interested in freestyle wrestling than so-called "show" wrestling. Which is what the TEW series has always been. Professional "show" wrestling. Of course, I could be transposing the Iranian perspective on the region as a whole. All I know for sure is I haven't heard much about this region as a pro wrestling market outside a couple anomalies promoted by one of the biggest of the big. Not in the way we'd think of it anyway.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> There are several promotions in Israel and Qatar, speaking as a person from the region. Mostly very small ones that die quickly, but Qatar Pro Wrestling was booking some big names a few years ago from what I can recall. WCWA obviously toured Israel and was broadcast there. </p><p> </p><p> The NWA (Vancouver All-Star, I believe) ran shows in Iraq and Jordan briefly, and there was local wrestling in the late 1900s in Lebanon that my dad attended as a youth that brought in people from Britain and Europe. They also apparently had access to Eurosports or Screensports, because that's how my dad found out his favorite heroic foreign wrestler (a Black British wrestler) worked as a heel back home, which was his kayfabe break and led him to disavow wrestling for four decades. Lebanese promoters also booked a lot of foreigners in the early to mid 1990s, but they also tried to screw them over on pay so I'm not too keen to highlight that part. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Now, as regarding "grappling" vs. pro wrestling, the Iranians and Turks obviously have their native traditions, but as far as the Arab portion of the region is concerned professional wrestling is very popular and there is no native wrestling tradition worth speaking of. The Abu Dhabi Combat Club hosts a lot of grappling to be sure and there's a few MMA groups, but we're not exactly fertile markets for local entertainment.</p>

[LigerLiger]

<p>Hey, speaking of local presence, South America in general is growing a lot. Brazil has quite some indies gaining some traction, and as shawn michaels said has now officialy produced WWE talent. Peru, Argentina and Chile are also growing and bringing in some bigger talent. Companies are working together.</p><p> </p><p>

Back in 2011 there was a continent-wide tournament won by KENTA, and had guys like Eddie Edwards and Naomichi Marufuji come in. Of course that was some time ago but still.</p><p> </p><p>

There are also guys like Diego and Zumbi making a name for themselves internationally.</p>

[shawn michaels]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Liger!Liger!" data-cite="Liger!Liger!" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hey, speaking of local presence, South America in general is growing a lot. Brazil has quite some indies gaining some traction, and as shawn michaels said has now officialy produced WWE talent. Peru, Argentina and Chile are also growing and bringing in some bigger talent. Companies are working together.<p> </p><p> Back in 2011 there was a continent-wide tournament won by KENTA, and had guys like Eddie Edwards and Naomichi Marufuji come in. Of course that was some time ago but still.</p><p> </p><p> There are also guys like Diego and Zumbi making a name for themselves internationally.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> yeah, adding South America to the mix would have been great, especially Brazil. Things are evolving quickly there.</p>

[cappyboy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hashasheen" data-cite="Hashasheen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>There are several promotions in Israel and Qatar, speaking as a person from the region. Mostly very small ones that die quickly, but Qatar Pro Wrestling was booking some big names a few years ago from what I can recall. WCWA obviously toured Israel and was broadcast there. <p> </p><p> The NWA (Vancouver All-Star, I believe) ran shows in Iraq and Jordan briefly, and there was local wrestling in the late 1900s in Lebanon that my dad attended as a youth that brought in people from Britain and Europe. They also apparently had access to Eurosports or Screensports, because that's how my dad found out his favorite heroic foreign wrestler (a Black British wrestler) worked as a heel back home, which was his kayfabe break and led him to disavow wrestling for four decades. Lebanese promoters also booked a lot of foreigners in the early to mid 1990s, but they also tried to screw them over on pay so I'm not too keen to highlight that part. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Now, as regarding "grappling" vs. pro wrestling, the Iranians and Turks obviously have their native traditions, but as far as the Arab portion of the region is concerned professional wrestling is very popular and there is no native wrestling tradition worth speaking of. The Abu Dhabi Combat Club hosts a lot of grappling to be sure and there's a few MMA groups, but we're not exactly fertile markets for local entertainment.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Okay. Then thanks for the correction. My grasp was rather tenuous but was going on what I knew as best I could. But that's one of the great things about this place. You never know who's going to have the perspective you lack.</p>

[Hashasheen]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="cappyboy" data-cite="cappyboy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Okay. Then thanks for the correction. My grasp was rather tenuous but was going on what I knew as best I could. But that's one of the great things about this place. You never know who's going to have the perspective you lack.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This is mostly stuff I've learned recently in the past year. Don Callis was on a tour of Lebanon with the Barbarian, and the promoters stiffed them on pay and stiffed Barbarian on food (he was supposed to get a strong diet of chicken to keep his regime up). Barbarian was so upset about the lack of chicken he wanted to walk to Israel on foot in the middle of a still active civil war just so he could get the hell back home. <img alt=":o" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/redface.png.900245280682ef18c5d82399a93c5827.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[K-Nection]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hashasheen" data-cite="Hashasheen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is mostly stuff I've learned recently in the past year. Don Callis was on a tour of Lebanon with the Barbarian, and the promoters stiffed them on pay and stiffed Barbarian on food (he was supposed to get a strong diet of chicken to keep his regime up). Barbarian was so upset about the lack of chicken he wanted to walk to Israel on foot in the middle of a still active civil war just so he could get the hell back home. <img alt=":o" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/redface.png.900245280682ef18c5d82399a93c5827.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Glad to know he stays in character haha</p>

[John Lions]

<p>Happy to see the regional changes, especially with Australia getting modernized since it's a region myself (and quite a few others) enjoy playing in.</p><p> </p><p>

Not sure if I'll catch you before you leave for the holidays, or if this would constitute a whole different Journal entry, but does this mean a change in spillover regions? Specifically, the fact that Australia (Oceania now) in 16 and prior versions doesn't spill over anywhere, even to Japan?</p>

[Self]

Love seeing Wales gets its own thing. Very interested to see what Real World Mod Makers do with it. If anything.

[Kitarzu]

Changes from 2016 to 2020.

 

USA and Canada remain the previous.

 

Mexico has duplicated his regions from 3 to 6.

 

British Isles has Central divided into Wales and Midlands.

 

Japan has renamed Kinki to Kansai, nothing else changed.

 

Europe is reworked, adding one region from 7 to 8.

 

Australia is renamed into Oceania and expanded into 7 regions.

 

India is new with three regions.

[Big Roguey]

Love seeing Wales gets its own thing. Very interested to see what Real World Mod Makers do with it. If anything.

 

A T T A C K, ATTACK.

 

And Dragon Pro probably.

[Kitarzu]

Some personal thoughts on the latest two journal entries.

 

I think that, unless you want a specific place to hold your show, more people will use locations rather than the venues, in both playing the game and creating databases, where it's more intuitive to create a city rather than a specific place.

 

USA, Canada, Japan (the reason why Kinki is changed to Kansai) remains the same.

 

India was touted as the next area and that's it. Great to see it as in reality India has been and is vital for the finances of TNA/Impact Wrestling.

 

I like the changes for British Isles and Mexico, with the Centro region that will likely be among the biggest regarding importance and community, similar to Tri State, Kanto and Southern England.

 

Oceania expanded it's great but needs the Northern Territory to be added as a city/location like Darwin is out. The Australian Capital Territory is an enclave into New South Wales, so it's likely included there.

 

I'm puzzled by Europe. 2016 was a welcomed expansion and I was expecting more regions for 2020, 12 like USA. I'm still figuring out how the regions are composed, in particular when you have Northern Europe and Scandinavia.

[Hashasheen]

A T T A C K, ATTACK.

 

And Dragon Pro probably.

 

Also Welsh Wrestling and Orig William's British Wrestling Federation.

[LordofGustav]

I'm the one who thinks that time has passed so fast?

 

Anyway, i hope in 2020 we can buy the titles of long gone alliances. (At this point in TEW2016, if the NWA dissolves, the titles are gone). I hope also we can buy titles for alliances (as long as you're a member of the alliance of course).

[shawn michaels]

I'm the one who thinks that time has passed so fast?

 

Anyway, i hope in 2020 we can buy the titles of long gone alliances. (At this point in TEW2016, if the NWA dissolves, the titles are gone). I hope also we can buy titles for alliances (as long as you're a member of the alliance of course).

 

You are not the only one. It did indeed go by so fast. But it also means a new TEW will come soon.

[Kiheiji]

Is 'Northern Europe' just the Baltic countries?

[CGN91]

I hope you can send your young guns on a proper excursion. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

[jesseewiak]

Tasmanian Local to Global will be first on my docket, obviously.

[BuddyGarner]

<p>I just hope that angles have evolved. Match making has involved throughout the TEW series to become more complex but angles have not really evolved that much.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

And I hope worker development is a lot more interesting than just spam matches/angles. But I wholly expect to be able to get a lot of the workers stats to 100 within the two month demo period. I didn't buy TEW 2016 because you can pretty much beat the game in the demo.</p>