TEW2020 Discussion Thread

[Dorian]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jp58" data-cite="jp58" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Software testing for us usually involves a lot of menial tasks such as trying to do everything a user would possibly do. Clicking buttons in weird order, typing weird symbols in fields that shouldn’t get them, submitting information with several fields blank, etc. We’re about to test a new app at work that’s “complete,” but it’s not anywhere near ready to be in the hands of actual users. I’ve got a document that’s around 5 pages long of stuff that needs to be tested on several phone brands, OS versions, etc. that will take us about two weeks to complete. I can almost guarantee that something will still be wrong the second it’s released to customers.</div></blockquote><p> Yeah, sorry. That's exactly how dumb it is. I just went bare bones with it because it was like "oh yeah, I totally get you, here's how I felt about it", rather than an actual explanation of how grinding the process is. I apologize for downplaying the boredom you have doing it.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I’m also curious about the new playable areas. How India is going to be implemented, and how it evolves will be something cool to see over the course of a save. I wonder if we’re going to get a couple of small or local companies, or if one company will have a leg up, and all the others are chasing them. I’m also curious if different product types will be more or less effective in different markets.</div></blockquote><p> With India, if Adam plays it up like IRL with just a few twists, small are probably as big as they get. IRL the India wrestling scene only really started in 2015 and of the 8-10 local/small companies that began, in IRL 2020 only 2 are left.</p><p> </p><p> For the TEWverse (as Cornell is no longer the driving force), India's scene probably came into being in 2016 and we're either got 2 left or all 8/10 are left and none of them are in a good place financially.</p><p> </p><p> The problems for India is that it has no homegrown fanbase (USPW fans, sure) or dedicated wrestling style (maybe a stiff brawling style thanks to Singh), talent pool will be small, you will likely clash with your other feds regularly over homegrown talent and a problem in a few years is that you will have is everyone from outside India will be wanting into India because of the population size and that sweet sweet rupee.</p><p> </p><p> However, I think though that India will end up being a good place for a beginner to start up a game. The India market will be yours to mold, money will be easy to come by, the population size will allow the talent pool to fill up quickly, if you can get ahead of your opponents you'll likely stay ahead and if you can get up in size quickly enough you can beat away the invaders.</p><p> </p><p> I'm honestly leaning more and more to starting up in India. Just from my own thought process, not even seeing what Adam has done. I'm sure whatever Adam's got is probably better than my thought process. Though if what I've thought of is what he did, that's still awesome.</p><p> </p><p> 2020 is going to be fun. India is ripe for creating whatever you want, Canada, Mexico and Europe are better fleshed out region wise, if the tidal wave in 2016 still happens and BHOTWG's scandal occurs Japan is likely going to be very different from 2016. This is going to be a LOT of fun.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I can’t wait to see how the new push system works in tactics. I always felt like the current push system was cumbersome, and I’d like to see what the new system is like when I don’t get upset workers that want to skip straight from Opener to Upper Midcard after one night in the ring.</div></blockquote><p> Yeah that's something I'm interested in as well. I don't mind the odd worker doing that, but it needs to be an exception rather than the rule.</p><p> </p><p> Going to make making stars harder for me, as I admit, I abused that, but I'm okay with that. Having a better simulation is the more fun experience to me.</p>

[TEWFan]

<p>Here is Puerto Rico we have been quarantined for 5 days with 10 more to go. Only supermarkets, pharmacies, hospitals, doctor's offices (with a bunch of control rules) and restaurants that have carry out, drive thru or delivery are open. All sporting and entertainment events have been cancelled. Most people are not working, unless they work in any of the places above or at a pharmaceutical or biomedical factory, are national security (cops, coast guard, national guard, air force, military in general) or high-ranking government officials. Yes, Walgreens and Wal-Mart are open, but only allow a limited capacity and any area that is not related to food, medical supplies or emergency gear is cut off. So you can walk by all the cool Nintendo Switch games, but they won't sell them to you. At least you could walk by it the day I went, I have heard they have cordoned off most of the store now. </p><p> </p><p>

As is everywhere, toilet paper, hand sanitizer and disinfectant wipes are out. I stumbled a small 4-roll package of Angel Soft and purchased it just in case since the larger packs or the better known brands like Charmin are out. </p><p> </p><p>

So yes, this sucks, its boring and I hate not going out, but I understand why it is done. Hopefully things get better before my supplies run out. I really don't want to be elbow to elbow with strangers fighting for canned beans.</p><p> </p><p>

Now as far as the game goes, it would have been awesome to have it now. But there's like 1000 things it would have been awesome to have now. Like a vaccine for this thing. So let's not complain too hard. We are healthy and alive, that's all that really matters.</p>

[Blackman]

Oh god this reminds me of the ridiculous debate where we couldn't get narratives to include accurate historical wrestler deaths because it wasn't "fun" and was "too dark". And we actually still don't have them.

 

Don't want to start this debate again, but logic would dictate that:

 

1. Several people will not want this so you'll need two versions of your mod at all times, which is a pain. People don't want to "mod" this out themselves as they just want to play the game.

 

2. Fun fact: most people here are wrestling fans and pretty much know when workers died, causing them to either job them out before it happens, do the exact opposite to honor them or plainly not hire them. If it's a modders' touch, you might as well create a scenario set in a future where someone died. No one wants a mod where set workers are programmed to die as the general player base has no need for it. If you want to, you can simply edit Farrah Hesketh in CV97, for instance, and make her a non-wrestler later to try to mirror realism. But I guarantee you most will just want to play this mod for a "what if" experience. But replaying history is pretty much impossible as you are not exactly alone to shape the world and can only "nudge" certain things.

 

You can discuss it from a moral standpoint but it all doesn't matter. Gameplay-wise, it's a fact that it adds so little you should devote your modding time to other narratives that literaly "add" things to the game instead of removing them.

 

Aside from that, adding pandemics would be downright moronic at this point in time. Again: adds little new to the game, needs extra lines of code and just provides a negative gameplay experience. So many suggestions here on this board to remove certain features to make their gaming experience less tedious, and you would add this? Makes no sense at all. A mod in WMMA added a Tsunami after the IRL event, but it merely results in an economic disaster, so you might as well call it what it is ("Wall street crash").

[nerodragomir1]

Random thing I just read in the 2020 announcement thread that made me realize why my DBZ mod wouldn't work when I had narratives for the first day in 2016.

 

Narratives are now allowed to take place on the day the game starts, meaning that mod makers can populate the opening website with welcome messages, special events, etc.

 

Happy this is being rectified in 2020.

[tambourin81]

Aside from that, adding pandemics would be downright moronic at this point in time. Again: adds little new to the game, needs extra lines of code and just provides a negative gameplay experience.

Kind of like having a random event where half your roster dies unexpectedly.

[nerodragomir1]

Kind of like having a random event where half your roster dies unexpectedly.

 

Wish I knew how to post gifs. It'd totally post that meme of Morgan Freeman pointing up saying "He's right you know"

 

Because homeslice isn't wrong!

 

Lets not forget that 2016 had the plane crash cheat. I thought it was a neat addition but It's basically the same thing.

[shawn michaels]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="nerodragomir1" data-cite="nerodragomir1" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Wish I knew how to post gifs. It'd totally post that meme of Morgan Freeman pointing up saying "He's right you know"<p> </p><p> Because homeslice isn't wrong!</p><p> </p><p> Lets not forget that 2016 had the plane crash cheat. I thought it was a neat addition but It's basically the same thing.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's not even remotely close. I've explained this on discord, from my pov. TEW is, from what I see, a fun family friendly sim that slowly evolves and occasionally adds certain darker elements, as some are part of wrestling, others are part of the world we have lived in for ages. The rate of evolution of these inclusions will be proportional to that logic. Whether some like it or not. </p><p> </p><p> Drugs, early deaths, steroids, etc, etc. There is no way to do a wrestling sim without touching these subjects. So they were eventually and tastefully introduced over time, as things that not only make sense, but help shape the game better. Being a product that guides by these lines, expect that kind of evolution.</p><p> </p><p> Adding a plane crash in 2016, when plane crashes have been a thing for decades and decades now, is completely different of asking to add a pandemic in the exact moment we are seeing the entire world get affected by it. Not only is it not tasteful at all, it adds nothing actually useful to the game and annoys people who want to play this type of game to have fun and forget about real life issues. It's not like we're playing Resident Evil here.</p><p> </p><p> The plane crash is something that I still hope can make a comeback (either that or something similar, maybe the same thing with a few different narratives) because it was a great way to shake up an entire game and change everything. It makes us deal with something that has always been around, as death, but not in a way that is actively affecting every single person right now. Adding a pandemic that can, at any given time, get to any single one of us, is just a bad idea for those and so many other reasons.</p><p> </p><p> At the end of the day, this is still a game about wrestling. I'm not a mod, i'm not staff, i'm not anything here but a member like anyone else, so all I can do is ask for this debate not to go on in which will be a bunch of pointless points that could defend/argue against, or simply play devil's advocate on something i would bet all my money that the majority would be against being in the game.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>TL,DR: Those expecting/suggesting/advocating for it to happen/not happen have had confirmation it won't happen, by the game maker himself, so let's all move on and not compare it to something completely different as a plane crash. Also, remember what type of game one is buying here and that it has been made in said lines for over a decade and half and some unnecessary posts will be avoided. But that's just my opinion.</strong></p>

[Derek B]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shawn michaels" data-cite="shawn michaels" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It's not even remotely close. I've explained this on discord, from my pov. TEW is, from what I see, a fun family friendly sim that slowly evolves and occasionally adds certain darker elements, as some are part of wrestling, others are part of the world we have lived in for ages. The rate of evolution of these inclusions will be proportional to that logic. Whether some like it or not. <p> </p><p> Drugs, early deaths, steroids, etc, etc. There is no way to do a wrestling sim without touching these subjects. So they were eventually and tastefully introduced over time, as things that not only make sense, but help shape the game better. Being a product that guides by these lines, expect that kind of evolution.</p><p> </p><p> Adding a plane crash in 2016, when plane crashes have been a thing for decades and decades now, is completely different of asking to add a pandemic in the exact moment we are seeing the entire world get affected by it. Not only is it not tasteful at all, it adds nothing actually useful to the game and annoys people who want to play this type of game to have fun and forget about real life issues. It's not like we're playing Resident Evil here.</p><p> </p><p> The plane crash is something that I still hope can make a comeback (either that or something similar, maybe the same thing with a few different narratives) because it was a great way to shake up an entire game and change everything. It makes us deal with something that has always been around, as death, but not in a way that is actively affecting every single person right now. Adding a pandemic that can, at any given time, get to any single one of us, is just a bad idea for those and so many other reasons.</p><p> </p><p> At the end of the day, this is still a game about wrestling. I'm not a mod, i'm not staff, i'm not anything here but a member like anyone else, so all I can do is ask for this debate not to go on in which will be a bunch of pointless points that could defend/argue against, or simply play devil's advocate on something i would bet all my money that the majority would be against being in the game.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>TL,DR: Those expecting/suggesting/advocating for it to happen/not happen have had confirmation it won't happen, by the game maker himself, so let's all move on and not compare it to something completely different as a plane crash. Also, remember what type of game one is buying here and that has been made in said lines for over a decade and half and some unnecessary posts will be avoided. But that's just my opinion.</strong></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, this is what I was saying over there too and sums it up well. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> There's no need to talk about it. There won't be any pandemics in TEW. There won't be any plane crashes either. There will be many feelings about it, but at the end of the day the argument is already over because Adam Ryland himself said so. There is no need to talk about it further, let's focus on getting hyped for the game and all the fun we're going to have with it. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[shawn michaels]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah, this is what I was saying over there too and sums it up well. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> There's no need to talk about it. There won't be any pandemics in TEW. There won't be any plane crashes either. There will be many feelings about it, but at the end of the day the argument is already over because Adam Ryland himself said so. There is no need to talk about it further, let's focus on getting hyped for the game and all the fun we're going to have with it. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Right on. I personally look forward for the new auto-booking system. This will help playing big companies a lot. Especially when there are several smaller shows and actual B shows.</p>

[Dalton]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shawn michaels" data-cite="shawn michaels" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Right on. I personally look forward for the new auto-booking system. This will help playing big companies a lot. Especially when there are several smaller shows and actual B shows.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The feature I'm looking forward to is the revamped scheduling system. It will make booking a touring company a lot more fluid!</p>

[Shianne_EB]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shawn michaels" data-cite="shawn michaels" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Right on. I personally look forward for the new auto-booking system. This will help playing big companies a lot. Especially when there are several smaller shows and actual B shows.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm most excited about the aggressive AI. Will make it a lot easier and productive to run a company like, say, MAW when the AI is going out of its way to try and snap up young, raw talent to mold them into stars.</p>

[Donners]

It's a real shame it's not going to be on Steam. My currency has crashed; if it was on Steam I could use my existing Steam wallet.

[Everything Ken]

<p>I'm looking forward to playing as child companies because NXT books so horrendously in my save. </p><p> </p><p>

Also, a question because I didn't remember seeing it in the journal. Are we able to set up a brand split as a child company? </p><p> </p><p>

Since I plan on trying to replicate as much as possible from my current save onto a 2020 database, I'm debating about whether I want to "rebook" NXT's title histories, or "transfer them over" as is.</p>

[Untouchable]

It's a real shame it's not going to be on Steam. My currency has crashed; if it was on Steam I could use my existing Steam wallet.

 

Yeah, Australian dollar is about .60 USD to 1 AUD so it's basically paying double.

[gazwefc83]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Untouchable" data-cite="Untouchable" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah, Australian dollar is about .60 USD to 1 AUD so it's basically paying double.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Pretty certain the game is in £ not $ if that makes any difference?</p>

[Morti]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Donners" data-cite="Donners" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It's a real shame it's not going to be on Steam. My currency has crashed; if it was on Steam I could use my existing Steam wallet.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> My currency is in deep waters too sadly... Usually the dollar is at about 8, now it's at 11.3</p>

[Blackman]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Donners" data-cite="Donners" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It's a real shame it's not going to be on Steam. My currency has crashed; if it was on Steam I could use my existing Steam wallet.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I don't think we can ever expect another game to hit Steam, especially the new ones. So it is what it is, no sense in highlighting the issue.</p><p> </p><p> If I were Adam I wouldn't be eager to open up to a whole new community that is (1) entitled and toxic, (2) won't stop bugging you to find out "when the sales are", (3) don't bother dl'ing the demo first and expect this game to be "like WWE2k20, but without the bugs" and proceed to downvote your game because it's not. He does'nt have time to hang out on the community page to answer the questions they won't bother to research here first. Plus the Steam cut is massive and caters towards big sellers. Unless he suddenly gets the ambition to become a major game dev, I don't think this will ever happen. He's build a very nice community here that is big enough to make it worthwhile for him, without the added annoyances.</p><p> </p><p> If people really want the game, they'll take the minor annoyance that is eLicence with it. And you know it's worth every penny, if you're one of the frequent visitors here and play the game for ages. And you'll save money from not buying the other games you'll never need to play anyway. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Historian]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="gazwefc83" data-cite="gazwefc83" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Pretty certain the game is in £ not $ if that makes any difference?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It’s in $. It’s $34.95. GDS is an American company so their games prices are given in the US amount.</p>

[BrokenCycle]

"Put it on Steam" actually means "Enough of the ELicense already."

[PlatYellow]

They got 2010 and 2013 on Steam, as well as a few other games, but it's good they aren't overly reliant on them.

[natey2k4]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BrokenCycle" data-cite="BrokenCycle" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>"Put it on Steam" actually means "Enough of the ELicense already."</div></blockquote><p> It's too bad there isn't another option because E-License really is trash. I hate it. </p><p> </p><p> Too bad GOG isn't an option because that would be a great community for these games. But considering how ridiculous ELicense is, GOG would never work.</p>

[TeemuFoundation]

I've never had any issues with E-License myself.

[BrokenCycle]

With the game coming out so soon, I have to say that I really thought the handling of the announcement of TEW 2020 and the hype for TEW 2020 were letdowns. I am obviously going to buy the game at the zero hour, but TEW 2020 has been a thing since December 2018. The developer's journal, where most of the features were announced ended, in July 2019, and we have sporadically been getting minor updates and minor features since then. It's hard to be outrageously excited about the game when you're waiting so long.

[JaySticLe of YouTube]

With the game coming out so soon, I have to say that I really thought the handling of the announcement of TEW 2020 and the hype for TEW 2020 were letdowns. I am obviously going to buy the game at the zero hour, but TEW 2020 has been a thing since December 2018. The developer's journal, where most of the features were announced ended, in July 2019, and we have sporadically been getting minor updates and minor features since then. It's hard to be outrageously excited about the game when you're waiting so long.

 

What's with the negativity? Just seems weird.

[bhutapati]

With the game coming out so soon, I have to say that I really thought the handling of the announcement of TEW 2020 and the hype for TEW 2020 were letdowns. I am obviously going to buy the game at the zero hour, but TEW 2020 has been a thing since December 2018. The developer's journal, where most of the features were announced ended, in July 2019, and we have sporadically been getting minor updates and minor features since then. It's hard to be outrageously excited about the game when you're waiting so long.

 

Okay, man. Why even post this?