The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[Zeel1]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Tha Black Phenom" data-cite="Tha Black Phenom" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Am I the only one who's waiting for this Kharma business to develop instead of labeling it letdown? I'm thinking it's just teasing for a later date, where she'll go bonkers.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I would guess that it's just meant to make her look unstable. Remember in earlier segments, she laughed, stopped abruptly, kept laughing again... I actually sort of expected her to abruptly stop crying and start laughing, but it didn't happen.</p>

[Tha Black Phenom]

Cue the well deserved tribute.

[Teh_Showtime]

<p>and he is rumored to get a renewed push this summer. It could start tonight</p><p> </p><p>

Edit: re:Punk</p>

[i effin rule]

Nice Macho style attire for Punk tonight.

[Comradebot]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Final Countdown" data-cite="The Final Countdown" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>CM Punk? Really? I'd like for him to be pushed even stronger, but seriously...he' a multi-time world champion and a legit upper level guy. I'd hardly say they've screwed up where Punker is concerned.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Agreed, Punk doesn't go on that list. The WWE has made it very, very apparent that they want him to be a longterm cornerstone of the company. Sadly, this whole naming rights business is screwing with that.</p><p> </p><p> But, again, multi-time world champ, regularly a prominent figure on television, pretty damn over... you can't ask for much more. If you are, then you're just being silly.</p><p> </p><p> Danielson, I feel, has been booked pretty solidly so far. Only been around for about a year now in the WWE, a bit too soon to start calling him a failure still. He's a former US champion, and, again, he's been consistently on TV.</p><p> </p><p> Evan Bourne... well, let's be honest: he was never going to be a huge star in the WWE. Namely, he's never going to be a top level guy in the company. His amazing in-ring talents aside, he's still a short, scrawny white guy who rightfully never comes close to a microphone. A superstar in the WWE that does not make.</p><p> </p><p> Colt and Low Ki, I can agree with. No idea what happened with those two, but they dropped the ball.</p><p> </p><p> And, again, too early to call Kong/Kharma. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt here and say the recent angle is leading to something else. Personally, I think she's just frakking with the other Divas.... which if so, it'd be brilliant.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Still GhostDogg, your "rundown of ruined indy stars" kinda sucks. Hard. I'm confident someone in less need of sleep than myself could do an opposite rundown of ex-indy stars that have had tremendous success in the WWE (which I'd personally include CM Punk on... and Sheamus, who appeared to be quite the star over across the pond) Fact is, a good chunk of the WWE/F's stars were, at one point, stars on the independent circuit. The only reason why a sizeable chunk weren't in the last couple decades is due to the existence of WCW. With two major companies vying for every potential talent out there in order to beat the other, few guys with talent were unlucky enough to end up unsigned by either for an extended period of time, and even more were snatched up into training long before they even made their in-ring debut. Never know when you just started training a guy who will eventually become your opponents top heel and future 13 world champion (bravo, WCW).</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> The WWE doesn't misuse former indy stars anymore than they misuse any of their other talent. Kane's spent his entire career with the WWE, and look how many times they've used him about as horribly as possible. I miss the Big Red Machine...</p>

[supershot]

First orton now cena... Whats goin on here...

[Prophet]

<p>Wasn't Colt a casualty of bad placement? Like something happened that he was part of, and it cost him his job, sort of thing?</p><p> </p><p>

And I have to say, every time I think "I can't appreciate CM Punk any more than I do right now" he goes and does something even more awesome. The trunks were really a nice touch.</p>

[nucleardonkey]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="supershot" data-cite="supershot" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>First orton now cena... Whats goin on here...</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They're preparing for WWE's next branch away from wrestling....the official WWE Olympic team. They're competing in the high jump.</p>

[angeldelayette]

Maybe I missed it but I am surprised the commentary didn't pick up on CM Punk using Bret Hart's five moves of doom. The whole Russian Legsweep, backbreaker, etc. that leads to the Sharpshooter. It didn't seem like they said a word about that.

[nucleardonkey]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="angeldelayette" data-cite="angeldelayette" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Maybe I missed it but I am surprised the commentary didn't pick up on CM Punk using Bret Hart's five moves of death. The whole Russian Legsweep, backbreaker, etc. that leads to the Sharpshooter. It didn't seem like they said a word about that.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's my big gripe with modern commentators. Punk went out of his way to tell this great story building to Bret finally snapping and taking him out and the commentators just ignored the whole story as if Punk always does Russian legsweeps, backbreakers, and elbows from the second rope.</p>

[Zeel1]

Well in fairness, the five moves of death is a smark thing. It's not like they'd mention it by that name. They could say that he was doing a lot of moves Bret did, but I mean, Russian legsweeps, backbreakers and elbows from the second rope are all pretty common moves... it's not like he and Truth hit the Hart Attack or anything.

[nucleardonkey]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Zeel1" data-cite="Zeel1" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Well in fairness, the five moves of death is a smark thing. It's not like they'd mention it by that name. They could say that he was doing a lot of moves Bret did, but I mean, Russian legsweeps, backbreakers and elbows from the second rope are all pretty common moves... it's not like he and Truth hit the Hart Attack or anything.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That would be true had Punk not made it a point to taunt Bret while doing his moves.</p>

[milamber]

<p>Mysterio v Truth - I usually don't enjoy watching Truth wrestle but that changed with this match.</p><p> </p><p>

Zeke v Barrett - Interesting match between 2 wrestlers who are a little generic in-ring. Both could be huge with a bit of work.</p><p> </p><p>

Sin Cara v Chavo - Match of the night so far from 2 masters of the ring.</p><p> </p><p>

Kane/Show v Ryan/Punk - Nice to see some decent tag teams emerging in the tag division.</p><p> </p><p>

Christian v Orton - These guys are really bringing the best out of each other in the ring. Orton's newfangled submission was cool and again they pulled off some spectacular near-falls. Match of the night.</p><p> </p><p>

King v Cole - Hilarious.</p><p> </p><p>

Miz/Riley v Cena - Much better than expected. The match was choreographed perfectly until the last few minutes. Cena's great when he's on the defensive and taking a beating. The letdown was that Miz caved too quickly and looked like a p***y at the end.</p>

[Self]

Really enjoyed Tough Enough. Glad AJ shined at something before he got sent home. Big Andy crying was a bit weird though.

[lazorbeak]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Comradebot" data-cite="Comradebot" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Agreed, Punk doesn't go on that list. The WWE has made it very, very apparent that they want him to be a longterm cornerstone of the company. Sadly, this whole naming rights business is screwing with that.<p> </p><p> But, again, multi-time world champ, regularly a prominent figure on television, pretty damn over... you can't ask for much more. If you are, then you're just being silly.</p><p> </p><p> Danielson, I feel, has been booked pretty solidly so far. Only been around for about a year now in the WWE, a bit too soon to start calling him a failure still. He's a former US champion, and, again, he's been consistently on TV.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Danielson won the US title from the Miz just before Miz got into the title picture and while he was still a top heel, and has put on some incredible matches. Like you said with Bourne, there's only so much you can do with white dudes under 5'10 who can't use a mic.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Comradebot" data-cite="Comradebot" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Evan Bourne... well, let's be honest: he was never going to be a huge star in the WWE. Namely, he's never going to be a top level guy in the company. His amazing in-ring talents aside, he's still a short, scrawny white guy who rightfully never comes close to a microphone. A superstar in the WWE that does not make.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Considering the talk when he went to Raw was he'd be on the future endeavored list, Bourne's had a great run, and the only thing keeping it from being even greater is the fact that he went down with an injury that killed his summer momentum. But last year he was tagging with John Cena, feuding with Chris Jericho, and generally looking far stronger than anybody expected.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Comradebot" data-cite="Comradebot" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Colt and Low Ki, I can agree with. No idea what happened with those two, but they dropped the ball.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Colt got undercut by his awful name (Scotty Goldman), and was never really given a chance to recover (the same thing happened to Brent Albright aka Gunner Scott). Low Ki would've probably had a decent run in WWE as a lower card guy, but he asked for his release so he could go back to Japan and the indys, where he makes similar money and doesn't spend his time being forced to sell other people's offense. But again, he's tiny, he works strong style, he has the charisma of a block of wood; what do you want WWE to do, make him US champ? Pairing him up with Lay-Cool was a good idea, but on his own, he's just a good worker with an unusual style.</p><p> </p><p> Didn't watch Raw and not too excited about what I'm hearing re: Kharma, but I'll see where it goes rather than use this as proof positive that WWE ruins indy talent.</p>

[milamber]

<p>Raw:</p><p> </p><p>

Nexus finally win a title. Didn't expect it, though.</p><p> </p><p>

Miz/Riley segment was awesome.</p><p> </p><p>

Kharma segment was weird. Is she trying to psych out the divas?</p><p> </p><p>

"Where'd you learn how to count -- Canada?" I don't mind Punk losing the tag match because it was an exciting finish. Time for Punk to get a title shot against Cena.</p>

[Candyman]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Tha Black Phenom" data-cite="Tha Black Phenom" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Am I the only one who's waiting for this Kharma business to develop instead of labeling it letdown? I'm thinking it's just teasing for a later date, where she'll go bonkers.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Sadly, you probably are the only one...people just never seem to learn to have patience and let things play out. I thought it was really weird, and I definitely didn't like it, but let's see where they're going.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Comradebot" data-cite="Comradebot" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Still GhostDogg, your "rundown of ruined indy stars" kinda sucks. Hard. I'm confident someone in less need of sleep than myself could do an opposite rundown of ex-indy stars that have had tremendous success in the WWE (which I'd personally include CM Punk on... and Sheamus, who appeared to be quite the star over across the pond) Fact is, a good chunk of the WWE/F's stars were, at one point, stars on the independent circuit. The only reason why a sizeable chunk weren't in the last couple decades is due to the existence of WCW. With two major companies vying for every potential talent out there in order to beat the other, few guys with talent were unlucky enough to end up unsigned by either for an extended period of time, and even more were snatched up into training long before they even made their in-ring debut. Never know when you just started training a guy who will eventually become your opponents top heel and future 13 world champion (bravo, WCW).<p> </p><p> </p><p> The WWE doesn't misuse former indy stars anymore than they misuse any of their other talent. Kane's spent his entire career with the WWE, and look how many times they've used him about as horribly as possible. I miss the Big Red Machine...</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thank you. I was about to lose my mind when I saw that list. You dismantled it better than I could've. Except for Kaval, because you have to remember that he simply didn't like being in the WWE and asked for his release. We have no idea what the WWE was going to do with him.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Prophet" data-cite="Prophet" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Wasn't Colt a casualty of bad placement? Like something happened that he was part of, and it cost him his job, sort of thing?<p> </p><p> And I have to say, every time I think "I can't appreciate CM Punk any more than I do right now" he goes and does something even more awesome. The trunks were really a nice touch.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Of all the guys on that indy list, Colt is the one (and only one) that you could actually say the WWE misused or wasted. He was entertaining and he had a following...I didn't get it. Use him as a commentator or backstage interview guy, at least. And I agree, Punk's tribute to Savage were AWESOME.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="nucleardonkey" data-cite="nucleardonkey" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That would be true had Punk not made it a point to taunt Bret while doing his moves.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Agreed. It was part of the story of the match. They should've mentioned it.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Self" data-cite="Self" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Really enjoyed Tough Enough. Glad AJ shined at something before he got sent home. Big Andy crying was a bit weird though.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Andy's whole reaction was weird to me. I never would've expected him to be so passionate and angry.</p>

[Candyman]

<p>Just saw this on Wrestling Observer, could explain a lot.</p><p> </p><p>

"-- The Kharma deal last night was her blow-off for the time being. It is believed she'll be out for over nine months. "</p><p> </p><p>

...pregnancy?</p>

[Mr Rager]

Just watched Raw, Punk made that main event. Easily my favourite wrestler right now.

[Rone Rivendale]

<p>Would it be totally insensitive if I said it can't be pregnancy cuz no one would want to have sex with Kharma? <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

Yes, it probably would. So I won't say it. I will say though, if it IS the reason, it sure is bad timeing. She could have had a child first and then signed on with the WWE. Unless WWE are going to pay her while she is away, that would be genius.</p>

[nucleardonkey]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rone Rivendale" data-cite="Rone Rivendale" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Would it be totally insensitive if I said it can't be pregnancy cuz no one would want to have sex with Kharma? <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'd do her...but then again I'm not really a fan of the typical Barbie type. I don't like being able to count the ribs on my women from across the room. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Candyman]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rone Rivendale" data-cite="Rone Rivendale" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Would it be totally insensitive if I said it can't be pregnancy cuz no one would want to have sex with Kharma? <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> Yes, it probably would. So I won't say it. I will say though, if it IS the reason, it sure is bad timeing. She could have had a child first and then signed on with the WWE. Unless WWE are going to pay her while she is away, that would be genius.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Haha, insensitive, but I'm sure you wouldn't be the only one thinking it. And yeah, definitely awful timing, no matter what's keeping her away. (If the report is true.) She was getting a push that we've never seen from a woman, and only a few men(Yokozuna, Brock Lesnar).</p>

[Jaysin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Low Ki would've probably had a decent run in WWE as a lower card guy, but he asked for his release so he could go back to Japan and the indys, where he makes similar money and doesn't spend his time being forced to sell other people's offense. But again, he's tiny, he works strong style, he has the charisma of a block of wood; what do you want WWE to do, make him US champ?<strong> Pairing him up with Lay-Cool was a good idea</strong>, but on his own, he's just a good worker with an unusual style.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> According to Low Ki, pairing him with Lay Cool was meant as a punishment.</p>

[crownsy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>According to Low Ki, pairing him with Lay Cool was meant as a punishment.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> First, let me say that I really, really enjoy low ki.</p><p> </p><p> That said, every qoute since he asked for his release makes me think he though winning nxt= instant m/e status. It seems to me that what he resented about the wwe's handling of him was they didn't immediately push him as a world champion. </p><p> </p><p> I just think he has a higher opinion of himself and what he deserved to be pushed as than did a rational worker of his errr stature and promo abilities.</p><p> </p><p> I mean not counting nxt, he asked for his release right after he wasn't put over ziggler, a guy they had spent two years building up to the UMC and he snapped.</p>

[juggaloninjalee]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="crownsy" data-cite="crownsy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>First, let me say that I really, really enjoy low ki.<p> </p><p> That said, every qoute since he asked for his release makes me think he though winning nxt= instant m/e status. It seems to me that what he resented about the wwe's handling of him was they didn't immediately push him as a world champion. </p><p> </p><p> I just think he has a higher opinion of himself and what he deserved to be pushed as than did a rational worker of his errr stature and promo abilities.</p><p> </p><p> I mean not counting nxt, he asked for his release right after he wasn't put over ziggler, a guy they had spent two years building up to the UMC and he snapped.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> While I think he is very talented he is very egotistical. I hope he never holds the top belt in any of the bigger promotions. Secondary titles are fine though. I wanted him to do well on NXT and was glad he won it. He has came across bad personally to me.</p>