The TCW Thread

[Bigpapa42]

Yeah, Slow Build on a short match kills the grade. You get a negative booking decision note in the dirt sheet. You all can't use All Out on a longer match. As Remi and a few others have recommended in the Small Questions thread, its best to minimize the use of the road agent notes until you know exactly what each does.

[ampulator]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Devilb0y" data-cite="Devilb0y" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Goddammit Cornell. Why does he hate Cruisers so much?</div></blockquote><p> <a href="http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37419" rel="external nofollow">Voila!</a> Here's the link to solve your troubles! It's mostly for 2008, but (I think) it still (mostly) applies.</p>

[Devilb0y]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><a href="http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37419" rel="external nofollow">Voila!</a> Here's the link to solve your troubles! It's mostly for 2008, but (I think) it still (mostly) applies.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You know what? I've been looking for threads like this for so long. The one's that explain the base mechanics that everyone just seems to know. Stuff like popularity roofs/floors etc. This is very helpful. Thank you.</p><p> </p><p> As for Slow Build vs All Out the general rule is this:</p><p> </p><p> Match length under 16 minutes: All Out is fine</p><p> </p><p> Match length equal to or over 16 minutes: Always use Slow Build</p><p> </p><p> HOWEVER, some wrestlers (seems like about 50%) can't go all out. Maybe they can't keep up with AJ Styles or they don't have the chain wrestling skill to go with Kurt Angle or something. I've yet to find which stat it is which defines success in this area but a fair few workers will get dinged if you use this.</p><p> </p><p> I've never been dinged for using Slow Build on a match of 16 minutes or longer though. It feels like a catch-all note, so always use it.</p>

[Bigpapa42]

Well, an All Out match is a sprint. 10 or 12 minutes of pure action without pause or rest. I've always wondered what skill or skills were the most necessary. I wonder if Basics is the key? A sprint match would be an awful mess without strong basics, since you really don't get time to set up spots.

[ampulator]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Devilb0y" data-cite="Devilb0y" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You know what? I've been looking for threads like this for so long. The one's that explain the base mechanics that everyone just seems to know. Stuff like popularity roofs/floors etc. This is very helpful. Thank you.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh man, I wish Hyde Hill was around more often. He would appreciate that.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Devilb0y" data-cite="Devilb0y" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Match length equal to or over 16 minutes: Always use Slow Build</p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, that's generally the case. There is absolutely no reason NOT to use Slow Build for long matches.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Devilb0y" data-cite="Devilb0y" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> HOWEVER, some wrestlers (seems like about 50%) can't go all out. Maybe they can't keep up with AJ Styles or they don't have the chain wrestling skill to go with Kurt Angle or something. I've yet to find which stat it is which defines success in this area but a fair few workers will get dinged if you use this.</p><p> </p><p> I've never been dinged for using Slow Build on a match of 16 minutes or longer though. It feels like a catch-all note, so always use it.</p></div></blockquote><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Bigpapa42" data-cite="Bigpapa42" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Well, an All Out match is a sprint. 10 or 12 minutes of pure action without pause or rest. I've always wondered what skill or skills were the most necessary. I wonder if Basics is the key? A sprint match would be an awful mess without strong basics, since you really don't get time to set up spots.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Stamina, and more than D+ (I forget which level) in some (forget how many) Top Row Skills... and I'm not too sure about the Performance Skills.</p>

[Devilb0y]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Oh man, I wish Hyde Hill was around more often. He would appreciate that.<p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Yeah, that's generally the case. There is absolutely no reason NOT to use Slow Build for long matches.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Stamina, and more than D+ (I forget which level) in some (forget how many) Top Row Skills... and I'm not too sure about the Performance Skills.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Why? Is Hyde our resident statistician for TEW? Could definitely do with his presence if he is <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> As for all out: I figured Stamina played into it but I can't work out what contributes to the note that 'X failed to deal with the pressure of going all out'. Is that consistency?</p>

[Jaded]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><a href="http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37419" rel="external nofollow">Voila!</a> Here's the link to solve your troubles! It's mostly for 2008, but (I think) it still (mostly) applies.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thank you!! I remember that post being incredible but had forgotten about it for a while - have bookmarked it now!</p>

[ampulator]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Devilb0y" data-cite="Devilb0y" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>As for all out: I figured Stamina played into it but I can't work out what contributes to the note that 'X failed to deal with the pressure of going all out'. Is that consistency?</div></blockquote><p> I believe that's random, unfortunately. The thing is, the "All Out" Note was being misused and overused in TEW 2008. The way it's set up now, it requires careful use.</p>

[Devilb0y]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I believe that's random, unfortunately. The thing is, the "All Out" Note was being misused and overused in TEW 2008. The way it's set up now, it requires careful use.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I pretty much reserve it for people with great top rows and stamina now; usually just cruisers. Which leads me full circle: dammit Cornell why do you hate Sammy Bach so much? Can't believe he's still only a UMC. Admittedly his psychology is only middling but he's still one of the best workers on the roster. Same goes for Eddie Peak actually (minus the middle psychology). I'd love to have him in my Main Event. Unfortunately I can see Peak's age hampering him as I'm reluctant to push a new star into the main event if they're already past their prime.</p>

[hauugen]

My backstage rating has been as low as 50%. Needless to say, I did not do good. After changing backstage rules as much as possible, and hiring some talent I'm now in 66%.I think Minnesota is a big problem, being that high up in the card with that personality. I have him in a storyline where he ultimatly will lose a match that will get him fired, so I get rid of him. (At least I think I'm gonna do that) And Vessey is gone after two incidents with steroids.

[Blake Trask]

Minnesota is too damn good to fire, attitude or no.

[Devilb0y]

My backstage rating has been as low as 50%. Needless to say, I did not do good. After changing backstage rules as much as possible, and hiring some talent I'm now in 66%.I think Minnesota is a big problem, being that high up in the card with that personality. I have him in a storyline where he ultimatly will lose a match that will get him fired, so I get rid of him. (At least I think I'm gonna do that) And Vessey is gone after two incidents with steroids.

 

Minnesota and Chord are worth it for the skills they have and even Vessey is worth persevering with, if only so you can use him as a jobber to the stars. Just bring in Greg Black and the Keith brothers to balance your books a little.

[I Rule Me]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blake Trask" data-cite="Blake Trask" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Minnesota is too damn good to fire, attitude or no.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Perhaps. Although given TCW's main event scene, I don't think I've had him get better than a B- with anyone. Not even Cornell. TCW is just too much of a pain in the ass. Show ratings are near impossible to get above a B, which generally results in no gain in the US, or a loss of popularity which results in TCW getting knocked down to Cult since they lose to SWF who somehow manage to put on B+ cards. </p><p> </p><p> Most of the talent roster can't get good enough ratings on angles, and hell, I've even booked cards with nothing but main event and upper card talent and haven't made a dent. That's without the midcard guys getting me C or lower match ratings and segments. I just don't understand TCW in this game. It's almost as if the roster doesn't have skills enough vs the company's overness to make it work. Rocky Golden has below average selling, RDJ despite his talent has only mid grade stamina yet the company comes defaulted with matches being 25+ minutes. All this in addition to their backstage mess. </p><p> </p><p> It would help if I could can the announcer and get another one, but there's no one out there better for me to sign and the problem with signing all these guys to balance out the backstage atmosphere is that it's a wasted effort if you fall to cult anyways since morale tanks and then you're stuck with all those contracts. You pretty much start out the game not being able to afford a bad card which is anything below a B.</p>

[hauugen]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Devilb0y" data-cite="Devilb0y" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Minnesota and Chord are worth it for the skills they have and even Vessey is worth persevering with, if only so you can use him as a jobber to the stars. Just bring in Greg Black and the Keith brothers to balance your books a little.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Maybe you're right, I just thought that something had to be done quick as I was near falling to Cult and my TV-shows are never higher than B-, they are C+ most of the time. I had no problem booking TCW in 2010, the opposite, I found it rather easy. </p><p> </p><p> I've hired Greg Black and tried to hire Edward Cornell, but he was to expensive for Tommy.</p>

[Bigpapa42]

<p>Avoiding B- or worse shows has been the requirement to stay at National for the past two versions, IRM. That threshold hasn't changed and its the same for the SWF as well. </p><p> </p><p>

The difficulties with TCW do seem to be mostly down to the backstage. Just messing around, I made the previously-mentioned product changes (first post) and turned off the backstage morale (as well as brought in talent to address it, though that was less necessary), then booked through January. The first show as a B, then a B+ and I finished out the month with a B+ on the PPV. I didn't book too cheap - spammed Tommy in the main events except for the PPV but used reasonable angles to advance the stories. </p><p> </p><p>

Booking TCW for the first few months won't be easy if you do it "straight up". But it should be possible. And if you don't enjoy that, the game does offer an "easy mode".</p>

[Tempest Kane]

<p>I managed to stay national for about 7 months but i had to bring in the world to balance out the backstage, i had to fire Bryan Vessey early as he was nuking my company with roid notices and fan assaults, had to tank up Joey and Jay with multiple bonus's to make them happy enough to drop from extremely annoying to just very...</p><p> </p><p>

I had to get rid of Rocky Golden because i couldn't do a damn thing with the guy no matter how hard i tried, since the only guys with enough selling to even start to overshadow his inept failure didn't have the popularity to pull off even jobbing to him and not even Sean Mcfly (who i initially got via alliance loans and later outright stole when his deal came up) or Tommy Cornell could put a decent match on with...</p><p> </p><p>

I had no choice but to take RDJ out of circulation and put him on the announce team and hope over time he gained some kind of experience with a guy i cant wait to replace but as pointed out have no options but to keep (Jason).</p><p> </p><p>

Jay wasn't so much of a problem as long as i keep him happy with bonus's and father approach him on everything... Joey is getting to the point he may need to be let go tbh because even 7 months in and very happy with a locker room full of + relationships and locker room leaders he's still a total card killing douche.</p><p> </p><p>

I was also constantly running at a loss (a very minor loss per month but still a loss) and that was with scaling back everything on account of the huge wage bill i had every month trying to keep the roster balanced, but i guess on a replay i could manage this better.</p><p> </p><p>

Never before has TCW been so difficult to play, its not a bad thing don't get me wrong, i just don't "get it" atm. What is the solution? because i don't see it.</p>

[Devilb0y]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="hauugen" data-cite="hauugen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Maybe you're right, I just thought that something had to be done quick as I was near falling to Cult and my TV-shows are never higher than B-, they are C+ most of the time. I had no problem booking TCW in 2010, the opposite, I found it rather easy. <p> </p><p> I've hired Greg Black and tried to hire Edward Cornell, but he was to expensive for Tommy.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They've definitely made it tougher for all companies this year round.</p><p> </p><p> I find it weird that Edward was too expensive. He's what? 29 and on a PPA contract with 21CW?</p><p> </p><p> This is why I generally play as the owner - I hate being given goals and limitations. I want to run the company my way.</p>

[I Rule Me]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Tempest Kane" data-cite="Tempest Kane" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I managed to stay national for about 7 months but i had to bring in the world to balance out the backstage, i had to fire Bryan Vessey early as he was nuking my company with roid notices and fan assaults, had to tank up Joey and Jay with multiple bonus's to make them happy enough to drop from extremely annoying to just very...<p> </p><p> I had to get rid of Rocky Golden because i couldn't do a damn thing with the guy no matter how hard i tried, since the only guys with enough selling to even start to overshadow his inept failure didn't have the popularity to pull off even jobbing to him and not even Sean Mcfly (who i initially got via alliance loans and later outright stole when his deal came up) or Tommy Cornell could put a decent match on with...</p><p> </p><p> I had no choice but to take RDJ out of circulation and put him on the announce team and hope over time he gained some kind of experience with a guy i cant wait to replace but as pointed out have no options but to keep (Jason).</p><p> </p><p> Jay wasn't so much of a problem as long as i keep him happy with bonus's and father approach him on everything... Joey is getting to the point he may need to be let go tbh because even 7 months in and very happy with a locker room full of + relationships and locker room leaders he's still a total card killing douche.</p><p> </p><p> I was also constantly running at a loss (a very minor loss per month but still a loss) and that was with scaling back everything on account of the huge wage bill i had every month trying to keep the roster balanced, but i guess on a replay i could manage this better.</p><p> </p><p> Never before has TCW been so difficult to play, its not a bad thing don't get me wrong, i just don't "get it" atm. What is the solution? because i don't see it.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I was having the same problems. I had another save where I cut Vessey and Peak right out the gate, got rid of the other announcers and the backstage was like 85 or something after a couple of signings. Problem was, with the talent I still managed a C+ card. I just can't figure out this company. in 10', I could take this same roster and put on a pretty decent card. This time around I'm getting more C/C+ rated matches out of my uppercard/main event guys with the occassional B- which doesn't make sense given their level of talent and the type of product the company has. They're rated more on ability than popularity and these guys have the skills, but they're not getting the matches. Forget booking the lowercard guys, you're like to get a D to C- rated match. I finally gave up and started a NOTBPW game.</p>

[Devilb0y]

<p>I'm just getting everything set for a new TCW game.</p><p> </p><p>

My plan is to get rid of Jason Azaria and install my normal user character in his place along with Warlord Pain and Kyle Rhodes. Then bring in the Keith Brothers, Greg Black, Mikey James, Fox Mask and maybe a couple of other positive influences. I've put 8 points into Leadership so hopefully I should be able to manage.</p><p> </p><p>

As it stands (without my new signings arriving) I've got a backstage environment of 64%. We'll see how it goes from there and whether or not I can keep my head above water (both from a popularity and financial standpoint).</p>

[hauugen]

 

I find it weird that Edward was too expensive. He's what? 29 and on a PPA contract with 21CW?

 

This is why I generally play as the owner - I hate being given goals and limitations. I want to run the company my way.

 

I was also surprised. But his PPA contract was running out and 21CW offered him a new written deal with 12 000/month, while Tommys limit was at 3000.

 

Haven't played in the last couple of days, I'll see if I manage to keep going without getting too frustrated. Angry Gilmores contract is up and hopefully I can get him.

[Shadowsong]

I was also surprised. But his PPA contract was running out and 21CW offered him a new written deal with 12 000/month, while Tommys limit was at 3000.

 

Haven't played in the last couple of days, I'll see if I manage to keep going without getting too frustrated. Angry Gilmores contract is up and hopefully I can get him.

 

I would guess it's because Edward would only sign with you if you could match his current deal with 21CW but Tommy didn't want you to pay much for him as he doesn't have any popularity in the US.

[juggaloninjalee]

I still haven't bought TEW13. Going to try and pick it up in the next couple of weeks when I get paid next. When I do I am not sure if I am going to use TCW like I usually do or if I am going to play as someone else.

 

Looks like TCW has new challenges this time around. Still no development promotion which is interesting since they could benefit greatly from having one.

 

I always tweak the product some so popularity does matter and I run it as a sports entertainment promotion with a focus on in ring talent. This allows me to still use some of the guys who aren't as skilled in the ring and get good match ratings out of them.

 

Unlike most TCW fans I rarely use Joey Minnesota in a big role. In the past I have traded him, fired him, and even flat out jobbed him out because of his attitude. When I have used him it has been as a International Title contender and never pushed him for the World Title. So much talent but such a bad attitude.

[Comradebot]

I'm not a huge fan of TCW, but I will share this thought:

 

Texas Pete is awesome.

 

 

 

Maybe not in TCW, but that's because they care about such boredoms as "work rates" over menace and cool hats.

[Mutaesque]

Cool hats you say. Hmmm maybe Texas Pete could be World Champ in a TF2 wrestling league lol

[Devilb0y]

I'm not a huge fan of TCW, but I will share this thought:

 

Texas Pete is awesome.

 

 

 

Maybe not in TCW, but that's because they care about such boredoms as "work rates" over menace and cool hats.

 

Great render. Bad stats. Even his menace is decidedly average. He's the kind of worker I wish was better because I'd love to push him but there's just nothing to recommend him at the top level of the sport.