The Road to Glory Challenge

Dr_Avalanche · June 13, 2016

Add a contract between your selected owner and your company. Save it. Then go to your company again and edit the power structure. Select your desired owner from the drop down and save.

Cheers, I'll remember that for next time.

In this save, my company has now been taken over by CEO Alysian Scottsfield. He's a fine road agent, but other than that, I don't know what he plans for the company really. The goals he has set for the next two years look extremely easy. Improve our popularity in Canada (from 0), and improve our company ranking (from #40). Additionally, no signing of wrestlers with less than 35 Charisma, Athletic Ability or Resilience.

Oh, I didn't mention, but I'm playing a Lite variation of the Road to Glory challenge. I just can't handle letter grades, so it's all numbers here.

mvargus · June 14, 2016

Cheers, I'll remember that for next time.

In this save, my company has now been taken over by CEO Alysian Scottsfield. He's a fine road agent, but other than that, I don't know what he plans for the company really. The goals he has set for the next two years look extremely easy. Improve our popularity in Canada (from 0), and improve our company ranking (from #40). Additionally, no signing of wrestlers with less than 35 Charisma, Athletic Ability or Resilience.

Oh, I didn't mention, but I'm playing a Lite variation of the Road to Glory challenge. I just can't handle letter grades, so it's all numbers here.

For the most part you get a decent owner if you don't set one.

That second critical goal might burn you. Its very uncommon to go through the first 2 years without at least 2 new companies forming and they all tend to be ranked higher than a local company. I've ended up #42 for a while when that happens.

mvargus · June 14, 2016

At the risk of dragging this discussion past its best before date, I kind of figured the editor would be involved, but I can't find a section where I can set the ownership, so how would it be done?

Now it's mostly an academic question as I've set up my company and my character:

One day in, and we're already turning a profit.

For some reason I decided it was logical that someone in Windsor Ontario would try to leech off the reputation of Detroit when branding their wrestling promotion, so the company became Rock City Wrestling. It made sense at the time...

Yuck another performance based promotion.

Not that they are necessarily bad, but I like to have a real challenge and put the rules so popularity matters more.

Narcizo · June 14, 2016

End of Year 2022

Big gap as I got a bit burned out on this and started a new save game. However I was drawn back in and we're well on our way to National. Barring disasters we should get there around June 2023. Dunno what happened, if there was a patch or something, but our top match grades soared to A* territory midway through the year. Dunno if the game looks at the popularity in the whole of the US rather than just the one region as that would explain it - thanks to our TV deal with OnDem.

The new problem is that it is literally impossible for me to renew a contract with any worker, as we are always outbid by USPW, TCW, SWF or CGC (of all people). It hasn't been too bad yet (the biggest guy we lost was Kid San Juan who was tag champion with Island Boy Apollo). But the coming year I've got most of my main event coming up for renewal. I can't see how we can possibly keep National status if most of our star quality guys sod off elsewhere just as we turn national.

On the plus side we were the promotion of the year (although not the most improved promotion bizarrely enough) and we had the show of the year (a 100 in December). We also have the young wrestler of the year in the locker-room cancer regen Kotaro Fukumitsu. With a name like that and 90 star quality I have to hold onto him even though he is perfectly capable of turning an entire locker room against someone he dislikes (Ray Snow was the unlucky victim recently - I had to cut him).

2020 +5 Aerial

2021 +5 consistency

2022 +5 Mat Wrestling

Well I should be easily able to get an A* match from my guy once we hit national but his stamina means that he's become the expert of the slow-build 20 minute match. My position as figurehead has been getting us +55% merchandising but that position is challenged by Captain Wrestling II (sacked by RAW for racist comment) and Haranobu Kobayashi (PGHW folded then he broke his neck working at WEXV and was out for a year) so I'm down to 45% now.

From having no-one of the popularity list last year we now have a flock of people.

http://i.imgur.com/rPbWWwY.gif

Garry the Entertainer (or Garry Walker as I call him) is a surprise appearance - thanks to the feelgood story of our last show, when he and Hawkeye Calhoun defeated Xavi Ferrara/Ernest Youngman in a tag title unification match in a cage. And the thing is that they outperformed them in the ring (mostly due to chemistry and experience, but still).

King of New York (ME): Shooter Sean Dealey - his contract runs though the year so he's always going to be main eventing and in the mix.

Pennsylvania Title (Midcard): El Serpiente - beat Captain Wrestling II who is main event bound.

Unified Tag Title Garry Walker/Hawkeye Calhoun (Game for a Laugh - geddit! <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/redface.png.900245280682ef18c5d82399a93c5827.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />)

Duke of the Bronx (Tournament): Felipe Callabero (in "operation get some star quality into the main event").

And the show of the year.

http://i.imgur.com/neVerPG.gif

Challenge status

David Narcizo - American Pro Wrestling Federation (Cult)

Game Date: January 2023

Best UC Match so far: 99 vs Haranabou Kobayashi (October 2022)

Jingo · June 14, 2016

So attempt number 3 is the key...

Not only are we still going strong but i have managed to survive a second full year, as well as beating the Owner goal of reach 10,000 by January 2018.

The Finances sit at 12.954. Our pop is 13.3.. So yes we have hit Small. We went Small after Novembers show and boy was i not ready for what comes with that, so we have to have 16 Wrestlers on the Roster - So i need to Hire 8 more. Production has to go up in many areas - We cannot afford this, i'm putting everything up bar 'Live Event Experience' the extra 1,000 per show on top of all the other rises is just too much ... For now. I have hired an Announcer (Ian Rosa) and Simona Cox will go on Colour.

We had four different Champions last year with Khloe beating me for the belt to sort of put an end to me facing Women storyline, she dropped the belt back to me though a Month later in March. Colin Picalo went through my entire stable beating Bat Cooper, Laurel Wreath and Annihilus to earn his last ever shot and finally beat me for the belt in October. Before dropping it to Annihilus in December because i will not be renewing Picalos contract (which is up in January, he wants too much of a rise).

In out of ring news Sharif and me still have issues, Kitty Katz had a few months off after getting pregnant (i have now hired her partner Leighton Buzzard). Kourtney handed her notice in because she couldn't work for us anymore... All her fault she kept on causing issues. Oh yes and Sharif also got refused a full payrise (wanted an extra 400) i gave him 25% which didn't please him at all so he may be next out.

Here's my stats...

.. And may end of year roll is....

36. “They Love Me… They Hate Me… They Love Me… They Hate Me…” You have gotten better at making the fans cheer for you or boo you. You have 20 points in total to add to your scores at playing a babyface or a heel.

Bit boring ... I guess i'll put all 20 into playing a Face just incase i want to turn at some point, maybe i'll build to that and become the Figurehead.

http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo302/brettney1980/wrestling%20stuff/R2G%20Jessie%20Omega-3-Year2_zpszsusuxse.png

Interesting stats;

Bad Idea Wrestlings best show: BIW Evil that Men do (E+ June 2017)

Bad Idea Wrestlings Best Match: Colin Picalo defeated 'The Fallen' Jessie Omega (E+ BIW Murder Incorporated, August 2017)

Highest Attendance: Bad Idea Secret Santa '2' (264, December 2017)

My Record: 11 wins, 6 losses. Overall 25 Wins, 23 Losses, 1 Draw.

My Best Match: Colin Picalo defeated 'The Fallen' Jessie Omega (E+ BIW Murder Incorporated, August 2017)

mvargus · June 14, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jingo" data-cite="Jingo" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41290" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So attempt number 3 is the key... Not only are we still going strong but i have managed to survive a second full year, as well as beating the Owner goal of reach 10,000 by January 2018. The Finances sit at 12.954. Our pop is 13.3.. So yes we have hit Small. We went Small after Novembers show and boy was i not ready for what comes with that, so we have to have 16 Wrestlers on the Roster - So i need to Hire 8 more. Production has to go up in many areas - We cannot afford this, i'm putting everything up bar 'Live Event Experience' the extra 1,000 per show on top of all the other rises is just too much ... For now. I have hired an Announcer (Ian Rosa) and Simona Cox will go on Colour. </div></blockquote> Yeah, the rise to Small is a bit of a surprise, especially as you quickly discover that you have to pay quite a bit to increase your production values to compete with far more established companies. Be interesting to see your company ride out 2018. Sounds like that will be the make or break year for your company.

nebradska · June 14, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="mvargus" data-cite="mvargus" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41290" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah, the rise to Small is a bit of a surprise, especially as you quickly discover that you have to pay quite a bit to increase your production values to compete with far more established companies.</div></blockquote> I find it's not necessary to worry about your production values at Small unless you're only running one show a month and are in regional battles. Otherwise, the shows your putting on even with the penalties are still good enough to raise your popularity. If you're running weekly shows, the pop gain will outweigh the loss from losing the regional battle.

mvargus · June 14, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="nebradska" data-cite="nebradska" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41290" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I find it's not necessary to worry about your production values at Small unless you're only running one show a month and are in regional battles. Otherwise, the shows your putting on even with the penalties are still good enough to raise your popularity. If you're running weekly shows, the pop gain will outweigh the loss from losing the regional battle.</div></blockquote> Unless you are getting really good attendance you can't afford to run weekly shows at small. Well, not if the economy is D or worse. You just don't get the sponsor money to afford the worker costs that build up over multiple shows. In both of the games I've run, when I first hit small my sponsor money per month was about $3,000 after the economy adjustment kicked in. In one game I went 7 months where I never made more than $400 and sometimes lost up to $200 while slowly progressing with D- rated shows. (and no regional battle.) My current game (which I am tracking with a dynasty in the 2016 Dynasties file on this form) I'm at May 1, 2017 (playing, the dynasty is only posted through Feb 2016) and just started getting into regional battles with MAW and PSW. My one hope is that one of those 2 companies doesn't survive to year end as both are in debt. I can possibly beat them occasionally, but my company will never consistently beat both of them on show quality. And as I just hit 11.3% popularity (technically I'm not small yet, due to the importance of the Mid Atlantic Region) my expected sponsor money is $4,500, but the D- economy means I get $3,200 and less than $1000 in profit after paying my owner and the roster of 11 workers. I even need to find 6 more soon if I don't get a manager or 2.

nebradska · June 14, 2016

SNIP

My strategy, starting in the Great Lakes (so I wound up in regional battles with NYCW and PSW as soon as I hit small also) was to run weekly shows from the beginning. My economy was around C for most of the time I think but industry was below D for the first 18 months.

My owner was the road agent and then, of course, I focused on using the cheapest workers available--and as few of them as possible on each show. The exception was Wolfsbaine, who main evented every week.

I hit Small by late summer/early fall and entered the regional battles. I lost but putting on multiple shows at least allowed me to continue with a net gain in popularity and the subsequent attendance increases.

By December I started beating out NYCW to get second in the battles and by January was turning a profit. At this point I may have actually increased production values on the two that don't have "per-show" costs (Music and Video, I think?) as it's the most cost effective. I finished the 18 month window with over $10k in the bank and started beating PSW for first shortly after that.

I still strongly believe that weekly shows are the best way to complete the challenge. Even at large Small (excuse the oxymoron), the profit from attendance outweighs the profit from sponsors.

Narcizo · June 14, 2016

I still strongly believe that weekly shows are the best way to complete the challenge. Even at large Small (excuse the oxymoron), the profit from attendance outweighs the profit from sponsors.

I agree that its probably the quickest way in game time, but it makes little difference in playing time. In fact when the industry is 25- you're spending time booking shows that get you minimal pop increase. (I can't get onboard with the auto-booker).

Isn't there a problem with repetitive booking with 4 shows a month at the start? I don't remember having it but I had a relatively big roster (before it was changed for local). And the pop/skill incteases probably mean that matches will get progressively better.

nebradska · June 14, 2016

I agree that its probably the quickest way in game time, but it makes little difference in playing time. In fact when the industry is 25- you're spending time booking shows that get you minimal pop increase. (I can't get onboard with the auto-booker).

Isn't there a problem with repetitive booking with 4 shows a month at the start? I don't remember having it but I had a relatively big roster (before it was changed for local). And the pop/skill incteases probably mean that matches will get progressively better.

That's true than an industry in the toilet at game start makes this challenge tremendously more difficult.

With all the tag, six man, and multi-man combinations you can run, I can't imagine hitting the repetitive booking penalty if you're making an effort. Besides, aside from your UC and one or two strong workers (usually Wolfsbaine, Whitehead, and/or DaLay in the USA), it makes sense to cycle through the other cheap jobbers every couple months. Or since contracts at Local don't need a downside, you can hire as many as you want, but then you'll have to worry about morale.

mvargus · June 14, 2016

I agree that its probably the quickest way in game time, but it makes little difference in playing time. In fact when the industry is 25- you're spending time booking shows that get you minimal pop increase. (I can't get onboard with the auto-booker).

Isn't there a problem with repetitive booking with 4 shows a month at the start? I don't remember having it but I had a relatively big roster (before it was changed for local). And the pop/skill incteases probably mean that matches will get progressively better.

There is no penalty for repetitive booking when you have a local-sized promotion.

James Casey · June 14, 2016

So, I have an industry at F+ and rising, and the economy at E+ and falling. I know I'm some way from making any major money... but is there a point in a growing company's popularity where there's a significant jump in income? Or is it always a gradual increase?

My last month running a show, I lost $3, which I can't help but feel is the game taunting me <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

Dr. Hook · June 14, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="James Casey" data-cite="James Casey" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41290" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So, I have an industry at F+ and rising, and the economy at E+ and falling. I know I'm some way from making any major money... but is there a point in a growing company's popularity where there's a significant jump in income? Or is it always a gradual increase? My last month running a show, I lost $3, which I can't help but feel is the game taunting me <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote> The only significant jump in income I have seen is the ticket sales when you move up a level, otherwise, it is just a steady growth in sponsorship and attendance (assuming stable economy and industry) as you gain pop.

Dr_Avalanche · June 15, 2016

How do you guys handle the product of your company? It's so annoying to see a new owner come in, look at the product I have finely tuned to bring in a healthy amount of sponsorship, and immediately decide to change it to some train wreck product nobody wants to put money in. Do you hard code the product to what you want it to be? I kind of want some room for flexibility if trends suddenly make us unfashionable, but at what cost?

Jingo · June 15, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Dr_Avalanche" data-cite="Dr_Avalanche" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41290" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>How do you guys handle the product of your company? It's so annoying to see a new owner come in, look at the product I have finely tuned to bring in a healthy amount of sponsorship, and immediately decide to change it to some train wreck product nobody wants to put money in. Do you hard code the product to what you want it to be? I kind of want some room for flexibility if trends suddenly make us unfashionable, but at what cost?</div></blockquote> I just go with what the Owner wants, it's his company afterall. I got stung with my CEO (Mark Moore) wanting 'Eye Candy' matches with very little cheap Female Wrestlers in the British Isles i ended up using the SNP Stripper.

Dr_Avalanche · June 15, 2016

That is fair. And it's more funny than terrible, really. After a false start, I restarted and had Marvin Earnest take control as CEO.

He decided to change this product:

<img alt="560eb7596aaf3cc31277c2923f9d8852.jpg" data-src="https://gyazo.com/560eb7596aaf3cc31277c2923f9d8852.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

into this:

<img alt="aa759e04803068b34f8d7bd0b1e11edd.jpg" data-src="https://gyazo.com/aa759e04803068b34f8d7bd0b1e11edd.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

He seems to really like to have those "very low" aspects of the product definition...

mvargus · June 15, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Dr_Avalanche" data-cite="Dr_Avalanche" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41290" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>How do you guys handle the product of your company? It's so annoying to see a new owner come in, look at the product I have finely tuned to bring in a healthy amount of sponsorship, and immediately decide to change it to some train wreck product nobody wants to put money in. Do you hard code the product to what you want it to be? I kind of want some room for flexibility if trends suddenly make us unfashionable, but at what cost?</div></blockquote> I simply lock in the product when I create the program so that no owner can make changes. So the min and max on each product will equal what the product is. Yes, it leaves no flexibility for trends, but in the past I had the product get changed quite a bit, and this prevents it.

Jingo · June 15, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="mvargus" data-cite="mvargus" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41290" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I simply lock in the product when I create the program so that no owner can make changes. So the min and max on each product will equal what the product is. Yes, it leaves no flexibility for trends, but in the past I had the product get changed quite a bit, and this prevents it.</div></blockquote> For some bizarre reason i never even thought of this... Its a pretty simple idea really as well.

mvargus · June 15, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jingo" data-cite="Jingo" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41290" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>For some bizarre reason i never even thought of this... Its a pretty simple idea really as well.</div></blockquote> I had an owner mess me up during a RTG game I played with TEW2010 and I didn't discover it until about 6 months after he did it. After that time I always locked up the product when creating the company to prevent the problem. Funny thing is having it happen back in 2010 helped me quite a bit. I thought I had a performance=popularity promotion, but the owner made popularity more important. I had to learn how to book a popularity based fed to survive and I'm finding that I can use that now that my RTG game is for a popularity based promotion. ((I have a bit of an aversion to performance based ones. They just don't feel real to me.))

Dr_Avalanche · June 15, 2016

Sooo, I just discovered that running the lowest production levels is actually *illegal*. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/eek.png.0e09df00fa222c85760b9bc1700b5405.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

I feel as naive as my avatar must have felt when he got fined $25,000 for using unlicensed music in his shows. As it is a critical owner goal to not be in debt after two years, I guess I have 16 months now to find a new job...

mvargus · June 15, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Dr_Avalanche" data-cite="Dr_Avalanche" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41290" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sooo, I just discovered that running the lowest production levels is actually *illegal*. <img alt=":eek:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/eek.png.0e09df00fa222c85760b9bc1700b5405.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> I feel as naive as my avatar must have felt when he got fined $25,000 for using unlicensed music in his shows. As it is a critical owner goal to not be in debt after two years, I guess I have 16 months now to find a new job...</div></blockquote> Just music. There is even a warning about it when you look at the settings. Basically you are using copyrighted songs without paying at that level. Once you go up one level you are using music that you have rights to. I'll admit I've been lucky and haven't been hit by that yet, but I also raise music as soon as I get to "small".

Dr. Hook · June 15, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="mvargus" data-cite="mvargus" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41290" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>There is no penalty for repetitive booking when you have a local-sized promotion.</div></blockquote> Actually, I have been getting this with a local sized promotion, so it does nail you at any size. The best way around this is to turn off the repetitive booking penalty in user preferences until you hit small to simulate the fact that the fans know you have a tiny promotion and will be running some repetitive matches.

mvargus · June 15, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Dr. Hook" data-cite="Dr. Hook" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41290" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Actually, I have been getting this with a local sized promotion, so it does nail you at any size. The best way around this is to turn off the repetitive booking penalty in user preferences until you hit small to simulate the fact that the fans know you have a tiny promotion and will be running some repetitive matches.</div></blockquote> You did? I'm surprised. I've run 2 RTG companies and raised them from 0 popularity to small. (well one all the way to E popularity and my dynasty is at F+ popularity but hasn't officially become "small") In that time I never got a warning about repetitive booking. But I do only have 1 show a month and I'm careful to rotate the matchups so that no match reoccurs more often than once every four months at the start when I have 6 workers. Once I get a few more, it tends to grow to no more often than once every 6 months.

Dr_Avalanche · June 15, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="mvargus" data-cite="mvargus" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41290" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Just music. There is even a warning about it when you look at the settings. Basically you are using copyrighted songs without paying at that level. Once you go up one level you are using music that you have rights to. I'll admit I've been lucky and haven't been hit by that yet, but I also raise music as soon as I get to "small".</div></blockquote> Yeah, I had clearly skimmed past that part. I wasn't even close to rising from Local to Small when this happened - pop in my home region was 5 when this happened.

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