TEW2020 Discussion Thread

[Hashasheen]

The news today is pretty exciting, and a long time call by the player community. Intrigued to see how it works in practice.

[RingRider]

I'm very curious to see how this new schedule feature will work with TV... What will highlight shows look like? Will studio wrestling or taping schedules finally become realized?

[dvdWarrior]

<p>This new feature with the schedules has me feeling a ... wee little bit nervous. I think it's great that you can set a company's schedule to match what really happened with WWE - the Big 4 back in the day, to the In Your House events of the 90s, to the schedule they use nowadays.</p><p> </p><p>

But what happens if you've got it set up like that... and then the promotion struggles to develop, and doesn't grow the way the real-world WWE grew over all those years.</p><p> </p><p>

Just wondering if there might be some problems that could arise over the course of a game, is all.</p><p> </p><p>

Apologies, if I missed something in the feature description here.</p><p> </p><p>

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[justtxyank]

With the new schedule the thing I'm most curious about is whether we can set events to stagger? Like can IYH be set to air each month where there isn't a ppv?

[batsnumbereleven]

<p>I'm not clear from the Development post of the Scheduling, but it seems like there is a significant weakness here in that when AI companies grow (or shrink) they won't be able to adjust their schedule accordingly if there isn't a regular check on the company size.</p><p> </p><p>

Say CZCW rises to National, how does the AI adjust its schedule to incorporate a(dditional) TV show(s)?</p><p> </p><p>

Or for a smaller company that has no TV to start, how does the AI know to set a schedule that includes a TV slot as well as a weekly or monthly show when the company grows large enough to warrant one?</p>

[shawn michaels]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Zeel1" data-cite="Zeel1" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>With all due respect, I don't see anything like WMMA's fight engine translating well in the slightest. There's a million more things that can happen in a wrestling match as opposed to a regulated MMA fight and I don't think it'd be able to do it in any particularly satisfactory way. You could more or less play a planned out CPU vs. CPU WresSpi match but, I just don't imagine it being all that fun and would require giving whole movesets to everyone (adding a lot of extra work for modmakers too) and it seems like it would take way too much time away from more on-theme features to do well. Not to mention, there are so many more matches and shows happening on a given year, imagine this if you had three shows a week? It'd take foreeeeeever to get through that, it seems like something most people would get sick of eventually. And sure you'd almost certainly be able to skip it when that comes but I dunno, just seems like it'd be a lot going into not much payoff.<p> </p><p> TEW and the genre it's in in general is meant to play a lot off of imagination and this is the biggest place where that holds true, details beyond road agent notes is meant to be in your head. Fleshing the matches out in writing is what diaries are for... </p><p> </p><p> That said I'd love more being done with generated articles and the like, they can maybe say more vague things about what kind of match people had (hard hitting, high flying ect.) and give them a star rating or whatever. I'd appreciate anything that injects more personality and life into the game. That's probably one of few places where it's kinda lacking for me at the moment.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You do realize we would be able to skip the matches? And it wouldn't be WMMA's engine per se, but a version reworked for wrestling. It would be awesome.</p>

[marsupial311]

<p>Felt like today's announcement would've been a good place to say what the actual calendar would look like. With nothing mentioned, it sounds like it will stay the same instead of following a real world calendar which is slightly disappointing but most have gotten used to it anyway.</p><p> </p><p>

It's slightly unclear which one would be used if you have weekly TV and monthly events from the post? I'm assuming weekly since the "TV or X" options make the events dormant if you have a TV deal? Or are PPV events going to be made separate from "Events"?</p>

[Zeel1]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shawn michaels" data-cite="shawn michaels" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You do realize we would be able to skip the matches? And it wouldn't be WMMA's engine per se, but a version reworked for wrestling. It would be awesome.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I said we'd be able to skip them, yes.</p><p> </p><p> It's a cool concept, it just seems like one that would maybe fall apart the more you get into the details of implementing it. </p><p> </p><p> Scheduling updates are awesome, should add a lot of uniqueness to given promotions.</p>

[shawn michaels]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="batsnumbereleven" data-cite="batsnumbereleven" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm not clear from the Development post of the Scheduling, but it seems like there is a significant weakness here in that when AI companies grow (or shrink) they won't be able to adjust their schedule accordingly if there isn't a regular check on the company size.<p> </p><p> Say CZCW rises to National, how does the AI adjust its schedule to incorporate a(dditional) TV show(s)?</p><p> </p><p> Or for a smaller company that has no TV to start, how does the AI know to set a schedule that includes a TV slot as well as a weekly or monthly show when the company grows large enough to warrant one?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I was wondering the same. If so I would consider today's entry as 2 steps forward and one backwards. I do hope a way can be found for companies to adjust according to size and product, etc.</p>

[Derek B]

Surely that would be covered by all the "TV and..." options, which are there specifically to have scheduling evolve as a company does. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

[shawn michaels]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Surely that would be covered by all the "TV and..." options, which are there specifically to have scheduling evolve as a company does. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh, nice. If that is the case then today's announcement is great. Love how the game is shaping up so far.</p>

[Bigpapa42]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shawn michaels" data-cite="shawn michaels" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You do realize we would be able to skip the matches? And it wouldn't be WMMA's engine per se, but a version reworked for wrestling. It would be awesome.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> My concern with this idea is similar to my concern with adding some other requested features in the past. Notably Auto-Booker, which was added and while imperfect, works better than I expected. But basically, the amount of time and effort it would take to make it really worthwhile. </p><p> </p><p> Adding it in a basic way is kinda useless. If there are only a few different match layouts/descriptions, it would really just be like what EWR provided and no one will pay much attention. To be of real interest and value, it would have to be able to present logical match flow, but also be situational and contextually accurate. The layout of a match for the WWE is not the same as ROH, which is different from New Japan, which is different from New Japan 15 years ago, which is different from a faux-puro indy match, which is different from an indy spot-fest, etc. As cool as it would be to see the matches laid out, as soon as it didn't fit what we expect based on the product types, we would be complaining. Not just a matter of having all the different moves and sequences, but the layout presenting them in a sequence we expect / accept. "Hard to code / get right" is a bit of a lame reason, but that's kind what it comes down to. Not that I don't think Adam could do it, but just the hour it would probably take.... I'd rather see other features get that time and effort.</p>

[Bigpapa42]

Today's feature announcement is something I was hoping for, so quite chuffed. Setting up touring promotions should be much easier now, and that's a really nice thing.

[Kingster]

<p>Today's entry is very interesting, I like that there can now be different scheduling models for different companies. I'm also curious how the AI handles different schedules and different event intents. For example with a weekly schedule, will the AI realize that holding a normal event each week would be overkill and so would schedule lesser shows most of the time with the occasional "normal" event?</p><p> Some things are still unclear to me:</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Constant - The AI creates a schedule with regular events throughout the year so that the company never goes more than a few days without a show.</div></blockquote><p> So, I'll take it this model means that AI controlled companies will try to schedule several events per week? Interesting.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>TV Or Monthly / TV Or Weekly / TV Or Constant - The AI creates a schedule using the Monthly, Weekly, or Constant strategies that have already been discussed. At the start of each month the company is checked for whether they have an active TV deal; if they do, the events are made dormant, if they don't then the events are made active.</div></blockquote><p> I hope this doesn't mean that the AI will never run events if they have an active tv deal. For example, with a "regular" monthly schedule the AI will still run monthly events in conjunction with tv shows if they have an active deal, right?</p>

[franticloser]

I am intrigued by the new schedules, I think a lot of the questions will be easier to show then tell the answer. This could make the world feel much more alive and organic like I said I am intrigued to say the least.

[shawn michaels]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Bigpapa42" data-cite="Bigpapa42" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>My concern with this idea is similar to my concern with adding some other requested features in the past. Notably Auto-Booker, which was added and while imperfect, works better than I expected. But basically, the amount of time and effort it would take to make it really worthwhile. <p> </p><p> Adding it in a basic way is kinda useless. If there are only a few different match layouts/descriptions, it would really just be like what EWR provided and no one will pay much attention. To be of real interest and value, it would have to be able to present logical match flow, but also be situational and contextually accurate. The layout of a match for the WWE is not the same as ROH, which is different from New Japan, which is different from New Japan 15 years ago, which is different from a faux-puro indy match, which is different from an indy spot-fest, etc. As cool as it would be to see the matches laid out, as soon as it didn't fit what we expect based on the product types, we would be complaining. Not just a matter of having all the different moves and sequences, but the layout presenting them in a sequence we expect / accept. "Hard to code / get right" is a bit of a lame reason, but that's kind what it comes down to. Not that I don't think Adam could do it, but just the hour it would probably take.... I'd rather see other features get that time and effort.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I wound't mind something basic. Even basic nowadays would mean better than EWR's, so if it was optional, people who did not find it accurate could just turn it off. A lot of people miss the basic EWR's one, so a more modern version could be cool. Although I do agree with your last sentence.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="franticloser" data-cite="franticloser" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I am intrigued by the new schedules, I think a lot of the questions will be easier to show then tell the answer. This could make the world feel much more alive and organic like I said I am intrigued to say the least.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I believe you are right. Seems like the kind of thing we need to see in action to fully grasp or to grasp it quicker.</p>

[SirMichaelJordan]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Kingster" data-cite="Kingster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Today's entry is very interesting, I like that there can now be different scheduling models for different companies. I'm also curious how the AI handles different schedules and different event intents. For example with a weekly schedule, will the AI realize that holding a normal event each week would be overkill and so would schedule lesser shows most of the time with the occasional "normal" event?<p> Some things are still unclear to me:</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> So, I'll take it this model means that AI controlled companies will try to schedule several events per week? Interesting.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> I hope this doesn't mean that the AI will never run events if they have an active tv deal. For example, with a "regular" monthly schedule the AI will still run monthly events in conjunction with tv shows if they have an active deal, right?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Agree with the last part, i know WMMA 5 works that way, it’s ether events or TV. I hope there is an hybrid setting.</p>

[batsnumbereleven]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Surely that would be covered by all the "TV and..." options, which are there specifically to have scheduling evolve as a company does. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> So, in that case all (non-touring) companies would need to be set up with that in advance, if they were to ever get a TV show that was to replace a Weekly/Monthly event? </p><p> </p><p> Say if they are pre-set to "TV or Monthly" then they would presumably never have a big monthly show (e.g. PPV) if they have TV... or have I misunderstood this?</p>

[Kingster]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="batsnumbereleven" data-cite="batsnumbereleven" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Say if they are pre-set to "TV or Monthly" then they would presumably never have a big monthly show (e.g. PPV) if they have TV... or have I misunderstood this?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The way I read this journal entry, yes, AI companies will never run events if they have a tv deal. I really hope this is not the case and just a misunderstanding, cause that would be terrible.</p>

[gazwefc83]

I'd love to know what size the pic packs need to be, I itching to get started already, it could take until release to get an full pic pack from each era put together to the more time we have to prepare the better.

[Derek B]

Rather than try to address each individual question... I just want to say that all the traditional schdedules we've grown used to are still easily done and lots of new options are added. Most things are being misunderstood, which is fair enough... it's a wordy entry and much easier to see in practice than to talk about. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

[batsnumbereleven]

<p>Thanks, Derek.</p><p> </p><p>

Happy to wait and see!</p>

[James Casey]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shawn michaels" data-cite="shawn michaels" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I wound't mind something basic. Even basic nowadays would mean better than EWR's, so if it was optional, people who did not find it accurate could just turn it off. A lot of people miss the basic EWR's one, so a more modern version could be cool. Although I do agree with your last sentence.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> I'm genuinely surprised by this. It was <em>amazing</em> when EWR was released back in the day, but my experience was of people quickly tiring of it because it was the same few lines thrown together in differing ways - maybe there was more variety if you tried different feds, but even so. It's amazing what different things people remember positively about old games.</p>

[SirMichaelJordan]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="James Casey" data-cite="James Casey" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm genuinely surprised by this. It was <em>amazing</em> when EWR was released back in the day, but my experience was of people quickly tiring of it because it was the same few lines thrown together in differing ways - maybe there was more variety if you tried different feds, but even so. It's amazing what different things people remember positively about old games.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I personally enjoyed it. It was before its time, now days games like football manager and OOTP have extensive write ups that are not repeats. I could imagine how much the feature could have grown and avoided repeats.</p>

[absolutelyridiculous]

<p>I don't know, wrestling's tricky. You might be able to procedurally generate soccer or baseball or basketball because it's a real game both teams are trying to win. I think if you try to "sim" a WWE 2k19 match, it's just a bunch of random moves being slowly thrown around back and forth until someone runs out of HP. That's not a wonderful franchise everyone loves and it's not really made to be simmed, but it's still a pretty sophisticated AAA game.</p><p> </p><p>

More "he looked strong" or "he looked like bad" notes would be great though because I remember them being pretty rare. Pointing out cool spots, pointing out botches, stuff like that.</p>