TEW2020 Discussion Thread

[TeemuFoundation]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Adam Ryland" data-cite="Adam Ryland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yes, that is what it means.</div></blockquote><p> That's how I understood it initially, as well. Thanks for the clarification. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> I'll let the people over at EWB know.</p>

[Adam Ryland]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="smw88" data-cite="smw88" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>And a title changes on the 4th when does that flow through and what if you had a title defence on a live show after the recording but before the broadcast goes out?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The title change happens on the day of the taping, not when it's broadcast, otherwise you could have situations where multiple title changes happen out of sequence.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="smw88" data-cite="smw88" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Will they get fatigue penalties for booking multiple shows a day?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yes, as you'd expect.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="smw88" data-cite="smw88" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>How will it impact contracts on pay or appearance limits?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> There's no different to how it would work in any other context - each show is separate, so if you work four shows in a pay-per-appearance contract you are going to get paid for times.</p>

[franticloser]

<p>I waited to comment until the whole week was done so I could see the complete picture. Got to say the overhaul o broadcasters/broadcasting is quite appealing. Being able to book a month at once is great (though a quick suggestion if you run a season as opposed to a full year, could you make it so we can tape a full season, ala Lucha Underground?) and something people have been wanting for a long time. The quality of life i.e. less screens to click through, is always welcome. And the added strategy of when and where to broadcast what is great as well as not only having to worry about other companies but other huge TV shows in general, adds a new layer of depth and immersion. </p><p> </p><p>

Thanks Adam for once again knocking it out of the park this week!</p>

[Rawisericho]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Adam Ryland" data-cite="Adam Ryland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>1 - This was covered in the journal; if you're taping ahead then your ratings will go down, therefore you're broadcast revenue is lowered because less people are watching and revenue is linked directly to viewership.<p> </p><p> 2 - Yes.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think this is a good game mechanic because it balances opportunity and cost but to be fair, in the 1990s taped shows were not lower rated (Nielsen wise) than their live counterparts. Meltzer goes over this a ton.</p><p> </p><p> That said I LOVE today's entry. The block taping is amazing, as I can now simulate NXT or 1990s WWF. My big question would be, if I have a block taping (each an hour) and I book Bret Hart on one show, Undertaker on another, Shawn Michaels on a third, will they insist on being on every show? During the 80s and 90s, you generally only saw the top guys once a month to keep them from getting overexposed. Will this be replicated in block tapings?</p>

[S_Joker]

<p>With the taping being announced today, for me, this game is set.</p><p> </p><p>

All features to be announced now are a bonus tbh.</p><p> </p><p>

The hype is real. Thank you for listening to us Adam!</p>

[Slim Jim]

<p>Really enjoyed the changes this week. Such a massive leap forward, which is mad considering how complete I thought TEW16 was.</p><p> </p><p>

Couple of Qs:</p><p>

1) I assume I know the answer to this but just to clarify, booking multiple cards for the same show as a block book on one night, do you book show 1, simulate show 1, then book show 2, simulate it, book show 3, etc. in the same way as booking Raw/Heat on the same day in TEW16?</p><p> </p><p>

2) Is there a time limit for booking or would the game let me book 4 3-hour Raws and then 4 2-hour Smackdowns if I had them scheduled the same day and both set to block book? Obviously I wouldn’t but just curious if one could...</p><p> </p><p>

3) How much ‘thought’ does the AI put into counter-programming? Will it just choose the time slot to maximise its rating or will it counter-program to hurt a smaller rival if it knows it’ll win or even book head-to-head with a bigger company to try and hurt their ratings even if they still lose?</p>

[christmas_ape]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Adam Ryland" data-cite="Adam Ryland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The title change happens on the day of the taping, not when it's broadcast, otherwise you could have situations where multiple title changes happen out of sequence.<p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I agree with the general consensus that these broadcasting changes sound great. Interested to hear people's opinion on this part though?</p><p> </p><p> To use a real life example, I believe NXT sometimes tapes an episode of it's weekly show BEFORE a PPV but airs it AFTER. Now I don't think this has ever happened but imagine they want to book Ciampa losing the title at the takeover but getting it back in a rematch the very next week. This seems plausible and certainly something I could imagine someone wanting to book. But under the system planned at the moment this would go down on record as Ciampa retaining his title on the weekly show but then losing it on the takeover that actually airs before. </p><p> </p><p> Now perhaps this is just an unavoidable issue or still preferable to the alternative of having title changes officially happen once the program is aired, I just can't off the top of my head think of a scenario where you would hold a show (with the intent of recording and broadcasting it a later date) and have an issue with the title changes not becoming official that night?</p>

[TeemuFoundation]

I guess that's just where your own strategic booking and looking at long term comes into play tbh.

[hammerglenn]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Adam Ryland" data-cite="Adam Ryland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>1 - This was covered in the journal; if you're taping ahead then your ratings will go down, therefore you're broadcast revenue is lowered because less people are watching and revenue is linked directly to viewership.<p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think this should be tied into eras. Ratings for taped shows or block tapings pre-internet should have higher ratings than shows taped post-internet, as information about those shows weren't easily accessible before the internet became public.</p>

[TeemuFoundation]

What people need to take into account is that if there are no drawbacks to doing block tapings, why wouldn't everyone block tape everything all the time? There have to be drawbacks to balance the benefits.

[awesomenessofme1]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TeemuFoundation" data-cite="TeemuFoundation" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What people need to take into account is that if there are no drawbacks to doing block tapings, why wouldn't everyone block tape everything all the time? There have to be drawbacks to balance the benefits.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> What benefits? The only advantage I can think of is you can schedule it on a day that no one is absent, and most of the time, if you have TV, you'll also have exclusive contracts. </p><p> </p><p> Also, there is another major drawback, worker fatigue.</p>

[TeemuFoundation]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="awesomenessofme1" data-cite="awesomenessofme1" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What benefits? The only advantage I can think of is you can schedule it on a day that no one is absent, and most of the time, if you have TV, you'll also have exclusive contracts. <p> </p><p> Also, there is another major drawback, worker fatigue.</p></div></blockquote><p> As stated in the Journal, it costs less to block tape since all the equipment and the setup is already in place.</p>

[Gabriel]

I would imagine that while TV revenue would go down, the cost of producing the four shows would be significantly lower if you tape them all at once as opposed to running them weekly.

 

As companies use this in 2019 to cut costs, it would make sense that you're still saving money, but you're also cutting the possibility of making a much larger chunk.

 

So, you'll be able to save money by taping shows, ala Impact... but also like Impact, you're limiting your potential financial growth in an effort not to sink the ship.

[awesomenessofme1]

A thought I just had: Will single-recording taped shows continue to have no penalties to ratings? That would make sense from a gameplay perspective, but it seems a bit inconsistent.

[Adam Ryland]

A thought I just had: Will single-recording taped shows continue to have no penalties to ratings? That would make sense from a gameplay perspective, but it seems a bit inconsistent.

 

They would be penalised. They are in TEW2016 too.

[shawn michaels]

Excelent entry today. The block taping was much awaited. Kudos for listening to the players Adam. Broadcast week was 5 stars and has made me want the game to come out asap. I wait patiently for more quality stuff to come. This will by far be the best game of the series. Can't wait for the game to be out to thoroughly test all the new stuff. 5 stars week. And I do not care if it was not held on the Dome. Meltzer is overrated anyway.

[awesomenessofme1]

They would be penalised. They are in TEW2016 too.

 

They are? I just played it yesterday, and I could have sworn it said there were no differences between live and taped shows.

[justtxyank]

Thought it was added (penalty) and then taken away again

[Adam Ryland]

1) I assume I know the answer to this but just to clarify, booking multiple cards for the same show as a block book on one night, do you book show 1, simulate show 1, then book show 2, simulate it, book show 3, etc. in the same way as booking Raw/Heat on the same day in TEW16?

 

It's one show at a time, booked and simulated.

 

2) Is there a time limit for booking or would the game let me book 4 3-hour Raws and then 4 2-hour Smackdowns if I had them scheduled the same day and both set to block book? Obviously I wouldn’t but just curious if one could...

 

You could do that if you wanted.

[Adam Ryland]

They are? I just played it yesterday, and I could have sworn it said there were no differences between live and taped shows.

 

I was mistaken, I was thinking of the original method - the penalty was taken out later on.

[awesomenessofme1]

I was mistaken, I was thinking of the original method - the penalty was taken out later on.

 

So then how will it work in 2020? Penalty or no?

[Adam Ryland]

So then how will it work in 2020? Penalty or no?

 

It would be penalised.

[Kingster]

Wow, just wow. Is this still a game or already reality?

 

I've got a feeling TEW 2020 will be nothing like 2016 and will take a lot of getting used to. I love it.

[marsupial311]

I agree with the general consensus that these broadcasting changes sound great. Interested to hear people's opinion on this part though?

 

To use a real life example, I believe NXT sometimes tapes an episode of it's weekly show BEFORE a PPV but airs it AFTER. Now I don't think this has ever happened but imagine they want to book Ciampa losing the title at the takeover but getting it back in a rematch the very next week. This seems plausible and certainly something I could imagine someone wanting to book. But under the system planned at the moment this would go down on record as Ciampa retaining his title on the weekly show but then losing it on the takeover that actually airs before.

 

Now perhaps this is just an unavoidable issue or still preferable to the alternative of having title changes officially happen once the program is aired, I just can't off the top of my head think of a scenario where you would hold a show (with the intent of recording and broadcasting it a later date) and have an issue with the title changes not becoming official that night?

 

I went to Takeover Phoenix and they taped the matches for next week's NXT TV before the match so they definitely do this. WWE does this all the time where they tape a couple matches for "Superstars" before their main shows and then cut and paste them into episodes.

 

I share the concern about title changes. I remember the taping spoiler about Gargano losing the NA Title but he was still carrying it on the live Raw/Smackdown appearances until the taping aired. Would be great to be able to replicate this, especially if you've block taping a child company.

 

I think this should be tied into eras. Ratings for taped shows or block tapings pre-internet should have higher ratings than shows taped post-internet, as information about those shows weren't easily accessible before the internet became public.

 

It seems like a lot of the features need to take eras into account. A lot of the new features will be great for current day but doing historical mods seems like it would have a few inconsistency problems. Adam did a great job recognizing the "social media" and "internet" references were off in historical mods so I'm sure having some of these features work differently in different eras would be reasonable to do.

[Paul_Heyman_Guy]

<p>The ability to play as a child promotion was what I wanted most and the ability to block tape shows was second on my list. I can't think of anything else I want nearly as bad as those two. Just take my money now.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="christmas_ape" data-cite="christmas_ape" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I agree with the general consensus that these broadcasting changes sound great. Interested to hear people's opinion on this part though?<p> </p><p> To use a real life example, I believe NXT sometimes tapes an episode of it's weekly show BEFORE a PPV but airs it AFTER. Now I don't think this has ever happened but imagine they want to book Ciampa losing the title at the takeover but getting it back in a rematch the very next week. This seems plausible and certainly something I could imagine someone wanting to book. But under the system planned at the moment this would go down on record as Ciampa retaining his title on the weekly show but then losing it on the takeover that actually airs before. </p><p> </p><p> Now perhaps this is just an unavoidable issue or still preferable to the alternative of having title changes officially happen once the program is aired, I just can't off the top of my head think of a scenario where you would hold a show (with the intent of recording and broadcasting it a later date) and have an issue with the title changes not becoming official that night?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That would never happen. You'd have to have Gargano or whoever come out as champion and lose it to Ciampa, which would give away your plans to have Gargano win it at TakeOver. It would give away your plans either way if you have somebody come out with the title, but it'd be much more obvious if you had a new champion like that.</p><p> </p><p> I believe NXT almost always tapes the post TakeOver weekly shows immediately after TakeOver. I may be wrong here but I believe the only time NXT has taped post-TakeOver episodes before TakeOver was before TakeOver WarGame, only because they didn't want to do the weekly show in a double ring like they did the year before, and that was basically just a televised house show and IIRC didn't have any champions featured for that very reason.</p>