TEW2020 Discussion Thread

[TLCJR4LIFE]

Non-Compete in the real world isn't the same as in the game.

 

In the real world, non-compete is set up so, if you quit or are fired, you can not work for 3 months(as a standard for WWE) during which you are paid your downside. Exceptions to this where Brock Lesnar, who at first agreed to a 10 year no compete to get out of his contract, this wasn't what was written in his contract, it was what he agreed to. Later he went to court to allow him to work in Japan, when football didn't pan out and prior to MMA.

 

Impact/ROH's non compete is more of a barring of working for other companies without permission while working for them. While Lucha Underground, barred you from working for anyone at anytime even during the off season.

 

In the game Non-Compete is if the work gets to the point they want to quit, they instead have to sit out their contract, unable to work elsewhere, but you aren't able to use them either.

 

As for CC, you don't give it to guys who aren't going to use, you are giving it to guys who you lure from the competition. Guys like Hogan, Nash, and Hall jumped not just for the increase in money and lighter travel. It was for the ability to have a veto in what happened on screen. Which includes how you are being booked if at all.

 

 

 

We are just talking about the logic. Like guys aren’t going to sit out and not get paid if they want to leave a company.

[BHK1978]

I really like that the AI will now go out of its way to sign know duos. That always kind of irked me more so than it probably should have.

 

I also like knowing when contracts expire. When I play as the SWF, I often miss it when workers from other companies contracts come up. Then I notice that they signed and I get annoyed that I missed my chance. That is why I tend to not play with the auto save on, I just go back and make a bid.

 

I actually am not a fan of the AI predator hiring being more lax. As someone who more often than not plays as smaller companies, you would think that I would like it. That is not the case, the reason why is when the AI starts signing my worker it forces me to find new talent and it helps freshen up the roster.

 

I tend to never fire anyone and even at the small level my companies end up with roster bloat. Well that is if I am turning a profit, if I am not turning a profit then I have no problems firing people left and right.

[Hive]

Guys like Hogan, Nash, and Hall jumped not just for the increase in money and lighter travel. It was for the ability to have a veto in what happened on screen. Which includes how you are being booked if at all.

 

That's not accurate at all; Hogan didn't jump ship, he was unemployed (at least wrestling-wise). And Hogan is the only one who actually had anything resembling creative control. Nash and Hall jumped ship not for more money, but for lesser dates (which can be considered as more money pr. date, but not more money overall).

 

I love that contract expiry dates are now visible. While not particularly realistic, it's one of those things that really made sense to change in order to make TEW a better game.

[Adam Ryland]

Can we turn off the crowd burnout?

 

It is optional, via Preferences.

 

Question about crowd burnout: does it take into account a possible pre-PPV TV tapings, as well as dark matches, etc?

 

It takes into account all the content you put out that night.

[TeemuFoundation]

Nash and Hall jumped ship not for more money, but for lesser dates (which can be considered as more money pr. date, but not more money overall).

They jumped for guaranteed money. There was no such concept in wrestling prior to Bischoff making it a thing in WCW. Hall and Nash even asked Vince if he could offer them guaranteed money, but Vince said all he can afford to offer is an opportunity. That was his way of saying per date. So, Hall and Nash made the rational decision and signed for guaranteed income.

It takes into account all the content you put out that night.

Excellent.

[LoganRodzen]

I actually am not a fan of the AI predator hiring being more lax. As someone who more often than not plays as smaller companies, you would think that I would like it. That is not the case, the reason why is when the AI starts signing my worker it forces me to find new talent and it helps freshen up the roster.

 

I think you may have read the entry wrong on that part... it'll be more aggressive, not lax.

 

"The AI predator hiring, which is the code that allows bigger companies to go after major names, has been changed to make the AI far more aggressive. This will make the game more competitive."

[Dolfanar]

They jumped for guaranteed money. There was no such concept in wrestling prior to Bischoff making it a thing in WCW.

 

Vince may not have been handing out guranteed money at the time but there were guaranteed contracts atleast as early as '88-89 in JCP.

 

Hall, Nash and Bischoff have confirmed that the schedule was the primary factor with money also important.

[ChairToFace]

They jumped for guaranteed money. There was no such concept in wrestling prior to Bischoff making it a thing in WCW. Hall and Nash even asked Vince if he could offer them guaranteed money, but Vince said all he can afford to offer is an opportunity. That was his way of saying per date. So, Hall and Nash made the rational decision and signed for guaranteed income.

Then that guaranteed money finished off WCW, because they couldn't afford to pay that roster all the money it was guaranteed.

 

 

Also, we're sort of diverging from the TEW thing into real life now.

 

I love that contract expiry dates are now visible. While not particularly realistic, it's one of those things that really made sense to change in order to make TEW a better game.

Will we be able to turn off the ability to see contract expiry dates.

[TeemuFoundation]

Vince may not have been handing out guranteed money at the time but there were guaranteed contracts atleast as early as '88-89 in JCP.

 

Hall, Nash and Bischoff have confirmed that the schedule was the primary factor with money also important.

Hall and Nash have also confirmed what I said above, and this right here highlights the problem with wrestling interviews tbh. But yea, offtopic.

Vince may not have been handing out guranteed money at the time but there were guaranteed contracts atleast as early as '88-89 in JCP.

Yea, but it wasn't a Vince thing until Bischoff forced his hand.

[franticloser]

That's not accurate at all; Hogan didn't jump ship, he was unemployed (at least wrestling-wise). And Hogan is the only one who actually had anything resembling creative control. Nash and Hall jumped ship not for more money, but for lesser dates (which can be considered as more money pr. date, but not more money overall).

 

I love that contract expiry dates are now visible. While not particularly realistic, it's one of those things that really made sense to change in order to make TEW a better game.

 

You are correct sorry about that, and while you are right about Nash and Hall not having creative control, they did get wage matching which equated to more money anyone else got signed for better deals.

[The Celt]

Then that guaranteed money finished off WCW, because they couldn't afford to pay that roster all the money it was guaranteed.

 

Dave Meltzer was speaking directly about this recently and in his view Guaranteed money was never a problem for WCW, it was the fact that they collapsed all their income.

 

In 1996/1997 and even 1998, they were paying guaranteed contracts with no issue. In 1999/2000 the pay scale didn't actually jump much at all, but WCW's income tanked significantly and that's why it couldn't be paid.

 

WWE in their in-house documentaries during the 2000s and early 2010s spun things very differently, suggesting a pay scale spiralling out of control, and one would presume that was mainly because they didn't want their own roster thinking that WWE could and/or should be given them guaranteed money.

 

So the point I'm making is that we should we say "WCW collapsing their income" was what killed them, not the guaranteed contracts.

[Historian]

Guaranteed contracts in WWE currently actually guaranteed most guys significantly less than what they make. I can't get into the specifics of how much I know about the structure of WWE contracts, but I know that most in-ring talent gets paid by date they work (as opposed to getting a weekly check of their downside). Getting paid by date means just about everyone makes significantly over their minimum guarantee. Guaranteed contracts did not kill anybodies business -- as long as talents worked dates, because guarantees have always been a minimum. "You will make at least this much money", so that if Wrestler X has a contract for $250,000, he will make at leat that, but if he works 250 dates that year, he's probably going to make way more than that, because he still gets paid per show he works.

[shawn michaels]

That's not accurate at all; Hogan didn't jump ship, he was unemployed (at least wrestling-wise). And Hogan is the only one who actually had anything resembling creative control. Nash and Hall jumped ship not for more money, but for lesser dates (which can be considered as more money pr. date, but not more money overall).

 

I love that contract expiry dates are now visible. While not particularly realistic, it's one of those things that really made sense to change in order to make TEW a better game.

 

Love it as well and my personal opinion is that it is rather realistic in the way it allows for the game to be played. Everyone in the business usually knows what kind of deals, or at least for how long they have been signed. And since the primordial age of the early dirtsheets, so does the audience in a lot of cases. I think the game finally telling me when I will be able to sign Kurt Angle from TNA's contract without me having to guess is far more realistic in presentation than otherwise.

 

The small entries, as a lot of us have said, have been absolutely deal makers when it comes to this game. Great stuff.

[Gregkendell86]

Contract expiry is awesome. It makes things alot easier.

[BHK1978]

I think you may have read the entry wrong on that part... it'll be more aggressive, not lax.

 

"The AI predator hiring, which is the code that allows bigger companies to go after major names, has been changed to make the AI far more aggressive. This will make the game more competitive."

 

In the words of the late Ed McMahon, "You are correct sir!" I swear my reading comprehension skills suck sometimes (Especially when I read stuff late a night).

 

Okay well then I am all in favor of a more aggressive AI when it comes to signing people.

[Gregkendell86]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>In the words of the late Ed McMahon, "You are correct sir!" I swear my reading comprehension skills suck sometimes (Especially when I read stuff late a night).<img alt=":o" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/redface.png.900245280682ef18c5d82399a93c5827.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> Okay well then I am all in favor of a more aggressive AI when it comes to signing people.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> The change is good of course. If it reflects to more bidding wars, slower loading, and AI with bloated rosters. I don't see how it makes the game more competitive at all.</p>

[CQI13]

<p>Had me at "Playing as Child Companies."</p><p> </p><p>

Honestly the only thing I needed to see. Can't wait for the game to be out.</p><p>

And yes, there are some other awesome changes.</p>

[Matt_Black]

I'd like AI companies to be more aggressive in regards to scheduling, as right now, they do the bare minimum. A Regional company that qualifies for a broadcaster could start a weekly show in addition to airing events, but the AI never does this, or at least not that I have seen.

[Gregkendell86]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Matt_Black" data-cite="Matt_Black" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'd like AI companies to be more aggressive in regards to scheduling, as right now, they do the bare minimum. A Regional company that qualifies for a broadcaster could start a weekly show in addition to airing events, but the AI never does this, or at least not that I have seen.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I posted a suggestion to improve the AI. I got adam said the AI is unfixable basically. Adam can tweek and change the AI but if the AI is still boring in the game. All these are really small changes to make the AI roster different in the game. </p><p> </p><p> I quit playing tew 2016 after 6mths. My friends locked themselves at cult level. The AI was not a threat at all. So it got boring knowing with minor effort I will be the number one company. The only way around was to nerf myself or start another company. So after restarting in the same gameworld 3 times. I just moved on to another game. I have played tew series since ewd so not like I have not played the game alot in my life.</p>

[Hive]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TeemuFoundation" data-cite="TeemuFoundation" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>They jumped for guaranteed money. There was no such concept in wrestling prior to Bischoff making it a thing in WCW.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's a persistant rumor, but not true. WCW had guaranteed contracts before Bischoff. What made Bischoff's contracts for big names "special" was that they didn't have to work as many dates for the money as in WWF.</p>

[TeemuFoundation]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hive" data-cite="Hive" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That's a persistant rumor, but not true. WCW had guaranteed contracts before Bischoff. What made Bischoff's contracts for big names "special" was that they didn't have to work as many dates for the money as in WWF.</div></blockquote><p> You're right, but that's not what I meant. What I meant by Bischoff forcing his hand was that Bischoff started to take his talent, and really challenge Vince, which no one had done prior. WCW prior to Bischoff wasn't really a realistic threat. Bischoff doesn't get enough credit for turning that company around IMO.</p>

[Gregkendell86]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TeemuFoundation" data-cite="TeemuFoundation" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You're right, but that's not what I meant. What I meant by Bischoff forcing his hand was that Bischoff started to take his talent, and really challenge Vince, which no one had done prior. WCW prior to Bischoff wasn't really a realistic threat. Bischoff doesn't get enough credit for turning that company around IMO.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Let me clarify </p><p> </p><p> Bischoff has stated those big money contract were not as big as rumored now. People say hogan made 500k for ppvs. Actually that is true but hogan also had to meet merch sales, tv appearances, etc to get that 500k for ppvs. So rumor and the true contract always seemed to be different to people. </p><p> </p><p> Jim Crocket promotions was a threat to vince in alot of ways. Vince did some underhanded things to hurt jcp. Which I call karma because it was rumored nfl told nbc if they wanted nfl again. They need to get rid of xfl. Xfl was off nbc. Nbc had nfl the next year. So you do the math. </p><p> </p><p> 89 jcp had 2 million on books but nobody would pony up the money. So ted turner bought wcw from jim crockett. After that it was just a regular company until Bischoff. He did change the game. He also helped kill wcw though. So what everyone says is true. Bischoff is a great businessman but not much of a booker. Paul heyman is a great booker but a terrible businessman. So they could stir wwe in the right direction if Vince got out of the way. </p><p> </p><p> Lastly </p><p> </p><p> This is not a rumor </p><p> </p><p> Shannon moore had a million dollar contract with wcw. Enough said</p>

[TeemuFoundation]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Gregkendell86" data-cite="Gregkendell86" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Let me clarify <p> </p><p> Bischoff has stated those big money contract were not as big as rumored now. People say hogan made 500k for ppvs. Actually that is true but hogan also had to meet merch sales, tv appearances, etc to get that 500k for ppvs. So rumor and the true contract always seemed to be different to people. </p><p> </p><p> Jim Crocket promotions was a threat to vince in alot of ways. Vince did some underhanded things to hurt jcp. Which I call karma because it was rumored nfl told nbc if they wanted nfl again. They need to get rid of xfl. Xfl was off nbc. Nbc had nfl the next year. So you do the math. </p><p> </p><p> 89 jcp had 2 million on books but nobody would pony up the money. So ted turner bought wcw from jim crockett. After that it was just a regular company until Bischoff. He did change the game. He also helped kill wcw though. So what everyone says is true. Bischoff is a great businessman but not much of a booker. Paul heyman is a great booker but a terrible businessman. So they could stir wwe in the right direction if Vince got out of the way. </p><p> </p><p> Lastly </p><p> </p><p> This is not a rumor </p><p> </p><p> Shannon moore had a million dollar contract with wcw. Enough said</p></div></blockquote><p> Was I disputing some of this stuff? Is this an argument? Anyway, I will not add to this conversation further since it's offtopic. This is about TEW 2020. If someone wants to debate or discuss the history of WCW with me for some reason, feel free to DM.</p>

[Dolfanar]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Historian" data-cite="Historian" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Guaranteed contracts in WWE currently actually guaranteed most guys significantly less than what they make. I can't get into the specifics of how much I know about the structure of WWE contracts, but I know that most in-ring talent gets paid by date they work (as opposed to getting a weekly check of their downside). Getting paid by date means just about everyone makes significantly over their minimum guarantee. Guaranteed contracts did not kill anybodies business -- as long as talents worked dates, because guarantees have always been a minimum. "You will make at least this much money", so that if Wrestler X has a contract for $250,000, he will make at leat that, but if he works 250 dates that year, he's probably going to make way more than that, because he still gets paid per show he works.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's the same way it worked with guaranteed money in the late 80's JCP as well. I think they called it a downside guarantee. Payouts per show were calculated based on the house and supposedly some kind of arcane formula back in the day so you actually never knew what your payout would be... But if you had a downside guarantee, and your nightly payouts added up less than your guaranteed amount you'd get a balloon payment for the difference.</p>

[BuddyGarner]

<p>Love popularity cap and crowd burnout feature.</p><p> </p><p>

Since I just spam matches and angles I'll probably not notice it though. I never noticed the pop cap before since I just ran shows every day so the decay was not noticeable.</p><p> </p><p>

Crowd burnout I probably will just take the hit or just run however long show I can without getting burnt out. Maybe the burnout could not happen for season finales or prestigious PPVs.</p><p> </p><p>

It's a step in the right direction though as it's a beginning against spam tactics.</p>