RatedRKO16 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 I'm getting really antsy to play and I've never done a RTG game (or even know really how it works other than starting at the lowest possible size). How long does it on "average" take a RTG game to hit cult or national? I'm thinking a 1983/1985 real world game would be a lot of fun if I could hit cult sometime in early 2000s just to see how a game world plays out and be a legit 3rd/4th option to WWE/WCW/ECW. I'd also like to book from 83 on as WWF however I feel instead of following what happened in the real world. Also taking a shot at the Cornellverse sounds fun for the first time in ever, although I'd probably just start with the top company and sign whoever I wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshspicer Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 I'm definitely going to be trying out that developmental brand, preferably with an NXT or the like. I'm going to try and tackle an RTG with a real world mod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon The GOAT Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 I'm getting really antsy to play and I've never done a RTG game (or even know really how it works other than starting at the lowest possible size). How long does it on "average" take a RTG game to hit cult or national? I'm thinking a 1983/1985 real world game would be a lot of fun if I could hit cult sometime in early 2000s just to see how a game world plays out and be a legit 3rd/4th option to WWE/WCW/ECW. I'd also like to book from 83 on as WWF however I feel instead of following what happened in the real world. Also taking a shot at the Cornellverse sounds fun for the first time in ever, although I'd probably just start with the top company and sign whoever I wanted. I dont think theres enough data from us to have an average. There's a TON of flexibility in how long it can take. The game isnt very realistic so you can basically break it and have a show daily, constantly racking up pop. Or you can choose to only do shows when you have the funds or just on a monthly basis if you want to play a more grounded game. There's other factors like the industry/economy & the availability of TV deals that can also factor in. So when you consider that you could be having 3-4 events a week amounting to around 200 shows in a year vs. someone who is only doing monthly shows where it would take them 15+ years to reach that event count. The average really varies. -- I intend on starting an RTG and finishing it for real this time. I stopped on year 6 on TEW 2016 and didnt have the motivation to keep going. I really dug that project with the variety of tourneys I was doing and the focus on newgens since I was a major penny pincher. I wasnt rushing it so it was chill. I would actually prefer to do it on CV97 so I'd consider giving CV20 a shot with a puro company like BCG (if they're still alive). And while Im at it try to hit up all the "achievements". Crossing my fingers that ThunderVerse shows up in some form (even if its still just TV16) on TEW20 because it's still my favorite way to play TEW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 How long does it on "average" take a RTG game to hit cult or national? The "RTG" game that some people play here is about you being an actual in-ring worker and making it to the big leagues and booking yourself in that A* match with someone else. Apparently people do it within 6 years. Depends on luck a bit, I guess. The RTG you probably mean is the more natural "start with a 0/0-promotion and work your way up without switching". I didn't play much TEW16 but it is a slow process (which makes a lot of sense). Given you start with very little cash, there's no way to spam weekly shows so you're left building up your fanbase for years and years until you finally get that TV show. There's ways to cheat, of course, or some modders will give you good deals, but within the boundaries of the default db: very long, no matter how good you are at the game. I never tried, but I assume lots of us just fail because they don't have the patience or don't like to resort to spamming/powergaming, because you will need to do that. The moment you hit cult, national should be on the horizon, if you're doing a good job that is. At that point it's down to keeping your finances up, so a mainstream product is recommended. I guess the breaking point is when you find a way to book a weekly show using around 10 workers that don't ask much and keep your losses limited. Veteran players should know the spillover rates and what the best time is to switch region to boost for cult. Honestly I don't recommend this 'game mode'. In the end you're missing out on all the action, whether real world or C-verse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanegan Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Well, since you mentioned my name and how I did it, here is how I would do it. WLW-EMLL-ZEN-ACPW-L Ring, & HIW. L-Ring and HIW are both promotions that can be actived and would give you a US and a British Isles promotion that would fit with a fast-paced, lucha environment. I like EMLL more than OLLIE because EMLL is more forward-thinking and despite not featuring tag team wrestling, their style (or even CILL) would fit a little bit more than OLLIE and since OLLIE is already in the COTT, I like to go with others. I have a similar idea, to build a worldwide alliance of hardcore feds with so many new garbage and hardcore products, it will be quite fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Historian Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 I'm getting really antsy to play and I've never done a RTG game (or even know really how it works other than starting at the lowest possible size). How long does it on "average" take a RTG game to hit cult or national? I'm thinking a 1983/1985 real world game would be a lot of fun if I could hit cult sometime in early 2000s just to see how a game world plays out and be a legit 3rd/4th option to WWE/WCW/ECW. I'd also like to book from 83 on as WWF however I feel instead of following what happened in the real world. Also taking a shot at the Cornellverse sounds fun for the first time in ever, although I'd probably just start with the top company and sign whoever I wanted. It's important to note that the RTG will be different in this iteration. With company sizes being different (as mentioned in the diary) -- there will be different rules for companies to progress in size -- so it won't work directly like we are used to of simple going up to cult/etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon The GOAT Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47197" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The "RTG" game that some people play here is about you being an actual in-ring worker and making it to the big leagues and booking yourself in that A* match with someone else. Apparently people do it within 6 years. Depends on luck a bit, I guess.<p> </p><p> The RTG you probably mean is the more natural "<em>start with a 0/0-promotion and work your way up without switching</em>". I didn't play much TEW16 but it is a slow process (which makes a lot of sense). <strong>Given you start with very little cash, there's no way to spam weekly shows</strong> so you're left building up your fanbase for years and years until you finally get that TV show. There's ways to cheat, of course, or some modders will give you good deals, but within the boundaries of the default db: very long, no matter how good you are at the game. I never tried, but I assume lots of us just fail because they don't have the patience or <strong>don't like to resort to spamming/powergaming, because you will need to do that</strong>. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> The moment you hit cult, national should be on the horizon, if you're doing a good job that is. At that point it's down to keeping your finances up, so a mainstream product is recommended.</p><p> </p><p> I guess the breaking point is when you find a way to book a weekly show using around 10 workers that don't ask much and keep your losses limited. Veteran players should know the spillover rates and what the best time is to switch region to boost for cult.</p><p> </p><p> Honestly I don't recommend this 'game mode'. In the end you're missing out on all the action, whether real world or C-verse.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I was gonna come in here to say you're wrong (first bolded part) but then you contradicted yourself (second bolded part) so I guess I dont need to? </p><p> </p><p> This post is really all over the place and I dont think it gives a good idea of how an RTG goes and makes it seem way more unfun and mindless than it is. Mainstream product is really not that necessary. You're not "missing out on all the action" either. Lots of weird takes. But in general, maybe dont give advice for something you've not even attempted? </p><p> </p><p> But Historian is right, TEW 20 means its hard to give advice that worked on '16 (all the more reason why not to take advice for someone who hadnt even tried the '16 RTG to begin with).</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlickJonny Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blake Trask" data-cite="Blake Trask" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47197" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Reproduce my gamestate in the data and then continue on with it.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> im interested to see how you go about doing something like this. i thought about doing this as well but i feel like it'd be a ton of database work</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dourvas Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Reboot my multiplayer save with a friend but this time make it more hostile. I'll be WWE and he'll be AEW. My current plan is to not prebook and let things kinda go on their own for now. I will rework two things though. The 24/7 Championship will be replaced with the Wildcard championship. Draft will be strict and only the Wildcard champion and a group of their choosing can work all brands. I'll run a legit Random Rampage tournament. So the entire pool of WWE contracted superstars that are active will team up with another worker, randomly. The winning team faces off and the winner of that much will become WWE or Universal champion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Weimer Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 I have so many ideas swirling around in my head about what kind of game(s) I want to play. And in reality I'll probably end up just playing a real world watch game like I usually do. For some reason I have an incredibly difficult time staying interested and with a game where I'm playing as a company. I get all excited, set up my company, plan out a few shows, then lose interest and stop. I'm hoping with 2020 that will be different, based off all the changes and improvements. Definitely excited to see how Japan is handled and also things like NXT. Might give it a go to play as NXT or NJPW with a real world mod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_Black Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Aside from seeing how the women's scene in the C-verse has changed, I'm very interested about the changes to broadcasting and ticket prices. Should make playing as a regional company less grindy and frustrating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moafnsteel Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 I already know I will be playing as SWF, but I am equally excited about playing as RIPW to try out the dev company feature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chikbot Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 I hope there's more hardcore promotions that aren't just WEXXV or the "West Coast War" companies. I want to see a GCW-esque promotion translated to the C-Verse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberly Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Probably a post WWE draft 02 diary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tag01 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Chikbot" data-cite="Chikbot" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47197" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I hope there's more hardcore promotions that aren't just WEXXV or the "West Coast War" companies.<p> I want to see a GCW-esque promotion translated to the C-Verse</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Hopefully the dev diary is right that building up a company with dojo recruits will now be possible. i found it difficult to play a company like this in the C-Verse as there weren't many hardcore guys and it seemed like they were all 40. Looking forward to trying something like GCW with a wrestling school constantly polishing up rookies.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Matt_Black" data-cite="Matt_Black" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47197" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Aside from seeing how the women's scene in the C-verse has changed, I'm very interested about the changes to broadcasting and ticket prices. Should make playing as a regional company less grindy and frustrating.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Haven't played the game in a while, but why do you think the regionals are grindy? I'd argue the top 3 are grindy due to you having to book all shows, making the game advance superslowly (unless you use the autobooker <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />).</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_Black Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Advancement takes way too long. In the U.S. and Canada, for instance, even if a broadcaster is willing to deal with a regional company, you need pop in a ridiculous amount of areas. Which will take forever without broadcasting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Historian Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Matt_Black" data-cite="Matt_Black" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47197" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Advancement takes way too long. In the U.S. and Canada, for instance, even if a broadcaster is willing to deal with a regional company, you need pop in a ridiculous amount of areas. Which will take forever without broadcasting.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> While I do wish there were more regional broadcasting options -- every regional company has the option of showing their shows on the internet as opposed to on DVD -- which does add some pop gains. I look at it as almost realistic (with the lack of available regional broadcasters not with standing). It shouldn't be an easy climb from regional to cult. I look at how many Indy companies run just around me that do fairly decent business, but there is no way they'd get TV unless it was a local station, they wouldn't get say TV in Michigan when the run in the middle of nowhere Indiana.</p><p> </p><p> Though I do think with the new sizes and the new requirements to go up in size, it will change that feeling.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_Black Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Historian" data-cite="Historian" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47197" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>While I do wish there were more regional broadcasting options -- every regional company has the option of showing their shows on the internet as opposed to on DVD -- which does add some pop gains. I look at it as almost realistic (with the lack of available regional broadcasters not with standing). It shouldn't be an easy climb from regional to cult. I look at how many Indy companies run just around me that do fairly decent business, but there is no way they'd get TV unless it was a local station, they wouldn't get say TV in Michigan when the run in the middle of nowhere Indiana.<p> </p><p> Though I do think with the new sizes and the new requirements to go up in size, it will change that feeling.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> That's very true. Counterpoint- WOW Superheroes managed to get a TV deal. <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Historian Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Matt_Black" data-cite="Matt_Black" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47197" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That's very true. Counterpoint- WOW Superheroes managed to get a TV deal. <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Counterpoint. WOW Superheroes is owned by a billionaire who also owns the Los Angeles Lakers and a guy with a track record of some cult like success in that niche genre of wrestling. (The superhero female wrestling, not just female wrestling.)</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_Black Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Historian" data-cite="Historian" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47197" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Counterpoint. WOW Superheroes is owned by a billionaire who also owns the Los Angeles Lakers and a guy with a track record of some cult like success in that niche genre of wrestling. (The superhero female wrestling, not just female wrestling.)</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> Yes, and if in-game broadcasters would make exceptions for owners or product, even if strict popularity or status wouldn't normally qualify, then fine.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nymetfan Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Ive been planning out a WWE save to do on my youtube channel for the 2020 release. Ive never done a modern day wwe save because its jsut to much but im considering planning one out and finally giving it a go when 2020 drops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combolock Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 I have quite a few ideas based on how I think the TEW 2020 Cornellverse will start. I am not very good with predictions, but if these work out, I will be happy. DeColt Championship Wrestling Alex DeColt shut down CGC after years of failures with his booking. Jack DeColt retired, living peacefully on a ranch. Ricky DeColt starts a new company instead of accepting countless offers with many big companies. I always envision Ricky as the DeColt that is the most quiet and reserved and open to new ideas. So the idea will be that he will have far better booking than what Alex and Co. had. I am not sure if this is accurate. Ricky will take a backseat to many exciting younger talents. Despite being their most popular star, in a recent title match he lost under the stipulation that he would never be able to challenge for the World Title again. Whether this will hurt their growth in the future remains to be seen. There has been murmurings of Jack coming out of retirement to support his brother. Hollyweird Grappling Company (Think TNA, but worse) I'm not sure if TCW is going to still be around. I would hope so. Brent Hill was not able to turn the ship around under new ownership with toy manufacture BriCo. BriCo CEO (Name to be TBD) has placed Ricky Dale Johnson in charge of the booking. After countless talents jumped ship because of a lower budget, TCW was left signing older washed up talents that were not good enough to be in the USPW and SWF and some younger talents that didn't have the star quality to sign elsewhere. A lot of the talent are way past their prime and don't really have the drive. BriCo, seeing that these "legends" sold more action figures, t-shirts, and ratings changed the name back to Hollyweird Grappling Company and pushed many of the older guard in the main events. A very different product than the one a few years prior, it will be interesting to see if they can solidify themselves. I envision them being A LOT smaller than SWF/USPW, but profitable nonetheless Their slogan: "Where The Legends Are" Wrestling Premier League A company in the database in 2016 yet to open. Not sure if it will be open in 2020 or not. USPW, after becoming an international company, turned their backs on a lot of the Southern fans that supported the company for many years. Sensing backlash, a local entrepreneur started a company with a lot of buzz called Wrestling Premier League that focused on mainly big heavyweights in intense matchups, a style that has many fans in the Southern US. Phil Vibert was sucked back in to booking on the promise of creative control and ownership stake in the company. Time will tell if there is truly a big enough market of dissatisfied USPW fans to help the company survive in the South. They have built up their biggest following in the middle South but have a small following throughout the rest of southern United States. The goal of course is weekly TV on a bigger network, as currently they stream their shows live on MeTube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigINMoldova Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Historian" data-cite="Historian" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47197" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>While I do wish there were more regional broadcasting options -- every regional company has the option of showing their shows on the internet as opposed to on DVD -- which does add some pop gains. I look at it as almost realistic (with the lack of available regional broadcasters not with standing). It shouldn't be an easy climb from regional to cult. I look at how many Indy companies run just around me that do fairly decent business, but there is no way they'd get TV unless it was a local station, they wouldn't get say TV in Michigan when the run in the middle of nowhere Indiana.<p> </p><p> Though I do think with the new sizes and the new requirements to go up in size, it will change that feeling.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> The problem with that is that the internet in TEW doesn't work at all like how it does in real life. For some reason, you don't get any money for having your shows on the internet which isn't true at all for a lot of wrestling promotions.</p><p> </p><p> NJPW makes a ton of money off NJPW World and AEW makes money off of BR Live/FiteTv.</p><p> </p><p> Granted, when TEW 2016 came out streaming platforms weren't as popular as they are but it's something that takes me out of playing regional promotions because it's totally unrealistic. Even Chikara has its own streaming site at this point.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Of course, you could start your own broadcaster with a subscription service but that cost millions of dollars in TEW when it obviously doesn't in real life.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Historian Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BigINMoldova" data-cite="BigINMoldova" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47197" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The problem with that is that the internet in TEW doesn't work at all like how it does in real life. For some reason, you don't get any money for having your shows on the internet which isn't true at all for a lot of wrestling promotions.<p> </p><p> NJPW makes a ton of money off NJPW World and AEW makes money off of BR Live/FiteTv.</p><p> </p><p> Granted, when TEW 2016 came out streaming platforms weren't as popular as they are but it's something that takes me out of playing regional promotions because it's totally unrealistic. Even Chikara has its own streaming site at this point.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Of course, you could start your own broadcaster with a subscription service but that cost millions of dollars in TEW when it obviously doesn't in real life.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Adam has said that the broadcasters in 2020 have been overhauled to make internet distribution a much more viable option. I think people forget that when TEW2016 was released a lot of these internet streams were not nearly as viable as they are now.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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