Your 2020 plans

[RatedRKO16]

Indeed, not a fan of the removal of those. It's gonna be more difficult to invent workarounds for realism. So I'm not really sure that I will make the jump to 2020. At the moment it's too many cons, unless more realistic templates are added for the removed preferences and settings.

 

Can you simplify this in terms I can understand(less technical the better). I was thinking everyone was excited about 2020, its news to me that someone is thinking about sticking with '16. Just wondering the reasoning bc I dont understand

[Guest Asaemon]

Can you simplify this in terms I can understand(less technical the better). I was thinking everyone was excited about 2020, its news to me that someone is thinking about sticking with '16. Just wondering the reasoning bc I dont understand

 

Sure to keep it simple the preferences for TV networks/broadcaster has been replaced with these preset ones (No Focus, Mainstream, Pure Sports, All Sports, Kids, Adults, or Sci-Fi).

 

Unless a No Focus or Mainstream broadcaster can also be against/very against lucha libre I will not upgrade to TEW2020. I want these so that I can tweak networks depending on in which country/region they are based in and which target audience they have (hispanic for an example).

[BiffJordan]

I'm most excited for executing proper TV tapings so I can more accurately simulate a proper calendar. I'll probably star an original MLW story from back in 2003 or 4 whenever it was and build them up better than ROH into a proper WWE alternative. I think starting small with limited TV exposure like they had but with a few notable stars and distinctive talents (Corino, Punk, Kojima, Raven, Steve Williams, Lynn, Amazing Red etc...) will allow me room to develop a few of my favorites from the time that took a bit to long to "make it" in reality and take advantage of the games new features as my promotion grows.

[DCEnygma]

Dive back into 21CW and see how the UK has changed. Or, alternatively, create a start-up fed in the UK and try and get a foothold.

[The Swanton825]

I hope that either the broadcaster preferences are restored to TEW2016 settings or that several new "broadcaster templates" are added since it's very unrealistic that a mainstream template for general entertainment TV networks always includes a neutral or pro/highly pro stance towards lucha libre.

 

For realism there must be a mainstream template that also is against/highly against lucha libre, otherwise realism for real world mods is gone.

 

I also hope that you can prevent a region like India from populate the region with created workers. That would ruin historical real world mods.

I always thought the fun of real world mods was messing with history? Like how everyone Hearts of Iron gives you a historically accurate starting point and then tells you to buckle up because things are gonna get crazy.

 

And wouldn't an easy fix for the India issue just be to not put anything there and encourage players to just turn off the region like most RW mods with Australia?

[Slash-LN]

Ideally continue my current game. If I can't figure out how to convert it to 2020 then I'll wait for an early to mid 90s real world mod to come out. Right now I'm about three years into a 1995 mod and after several changes and starting over multiple times I've finally found the right settings and product style that fits the way I like to book and allows me to get the best out of my roster.

[gazwefc83]

I have built a current real world database from scratch, so I will be converting that before I start any kind of save game.

[Jaysin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Slash-LN" data-cite="Slash-LN" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47197" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Ideally continue my current game. If I can't figure out how to convert it to 2020 then I'll wait for an early to mid 90s real world mod to come out. Right now I'm about three years into a 1995 mod and after several changes and starting over multiple times I've finally found the right settings and product style that fits the way I like to book and allows me to get the best out of my roster.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You can’t convert save games</p>

[titlebelt]

<p>I'll of course swear I won't play SWF but will in reality probably start 5 SWF saves! I'm interested to see if the federal investigation has caused something big (like, now they are SWE for legal reasons or lost most of the roster or something like that) and if they don't exist at all anymore I'd probably go with whomever USPL's main rivals are. </p><p> </p><p>

Then, finally, get to Mexico and Japan. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Guest Asaemon]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Swanton825" data-cite="The Swanton825" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47197" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I always thought the fun of real world mods was messing with history? Like how everyone Hearts of Iron gives you a historically accurate starting point and then tells you to buckle up because things are gonna get crazy.<p> </p><p> And wouldn't an easy fix for the India issue just be to not put anything there and encourage players to just turn off the region like most RW mods with Australia?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I've never de-activated areas. If it was possible I would rather have areas linked to eras so India could be activated a specific year since I can see it being useful for more modern mods.</p><p> </p><p> And if it was possible I would rather have one mainstream/general entertainment broadcaster setting that is pro or highly pro lucha libre, that can be used for Mexican and certain Hispanic markets while the standard mainstream/general entertainment settings is against or highly against lucha libre.</p><p> </p><p> Since settings have been removed and lucha libre = mainstream for TEW broadcasters, there is no stopping unrealistic broadcasting deals outside the major lucha libre regions. So the remaining workaround/tweak is to "lock the maximum size for every lucha libre promotion to cult or maybe regional" and that's what made me lose my interest in TEW2020.</p>

[piccamo]

Since settings have been removed and lucha libre = mainstream for TEW broadcasters, there is no stopping unrealistic broadcasting deals outside the major lucha libre regions. So the remaining workaround/tweak is to "lock the maximum size for every lucha libre promotion to cult or maybe regional" and that's what made me lose my interest in TEW2020.

 

What settings are being removed? I don't recall any dev diaries saying that broadcasters won't favor certain products.

[franticloser]

I went back and read the broadcaster section and I think you may be looking into it incorrectly. Just because Lucha has meant mainstream before doesn't mean it does now. I think you are building a mountain out of a molehill here as well. I mean we all play our own ways and have our own desires for gameplay, but with any historical model, as soon as you start it history goes out the window so to say something is unrealistic is kind of misleading. Because who is to say that if AAA actually got their booking together they couldn't break into the American mainstream? Yeah Lucha Underground folded, but they also never did much to maintain money outside of advertising. They never did tours or anything. Just blocks of taping, so that is a unique case not every case. So, again I think a. Adam has probably thought of this in streamlining things to help modmakers and b. Your complaint is not as big of a deal as you are making for a game that isn't out or have you been able to actually play and see if is even valid.

[Adam Ryland]

What settings are being removed? I don't recall any dev diaries saying that broadcasters won't favor certain products.

 

Broadcasters will favour different products. A Mainstream broadcaster, for example, won't be interested in a hardcore company, or one that is sleazy, etc, etc.

 

Asaemon's complaint is that you won't be able to set a Mainstream broadcaster to blanket ban all lucha libre based companies. He believes this is unrealistic as he thinks it means that big lucha libre companies from Mexico are going to be getting deals with mainstream US broadcasters.

 

I'm not adding what he wants as I disagree with his opinion, because: A you can just set broadcasters not to accept foreign companies, B I think a blanket ban on lucha libre is inherently weird given the variety of different styles that would cover (i.e. it's like having an option to ban "American wrestling", a term that covers multiple very different products), and C I don't see any reason why a real life American lucha libre-based sports entertainment company would have an issue getting onto any of the stations that show WWE if they had good enough production values and name talent; the fact that they're lucha based is not going to mean a thing to a TV exec. Therefore as you can already block non-American companies, this option is totally unnecessary.

 

So in short, no, you don't have to worry about settings being removed, the 2020 set-up allows you to do everything you will need.

[steev42]

I think you are building a mountain out of a mile hole here as well.

 

Derailing for a moment here...it's possible you were trying to be clever here and I'm not seeing it...but the phrase is "Mountain out of a molehill", and this made me twitch.

[franticloser]

Good catch, sorry typo, has been fixed!

[Guest Asaemon]

Asaemon's complaint is that you won't be able to set a Mainstream broadcaster to blanket ban all lucha libre based companies. He believes this is unrealistic as he thinks it means that big lucha libre companies from Mexico are going to be getting deals with mainstream US broadcasters.

 

Not at all. I actually like the different combinations (12 preferences * 5 stances/levels) you can get in TEW2016 by using the (highly against, against, neutral, pro or highly pro) as you can create different types of mainstream/general entertainment networks or other networks. I'm not talking about the US, but for all areas.

 

That way you can set Mexican mainstream networks to be pro or highly pro

Major US networks as against or neutral

US networks (targeted for an Hispanic audience) to be pro

Most European mainstream networks to be against or highly against (since there haven't been many deals except AAA/Galavision)

Networks in Iberia to be neutral or pro (due to the language)

 

 

I'm not adding what he wants as I disagree with his opinion, because: A you can just set broadcasters not to accept foreign companies

 

Then a European network will not accept a deal with WCW, WWF, NJPW or UWFi either and that wouldn't be realistic for a RW mod. So that isn't a solution.

 

 

 

B I think a blanket ban on lucha libre is inherently weird given the variety of different styles that would cover (i.e. it's like having an option to ban "American wrestling", a term that covers multiple very different products),

 

But is a "highly against" stance towards lucha libre really a blanket ban? Is it impossible to negotiate a deal with such a network or just very difficult?

 

 

 

and C I don't see any reason why a real life American lucha libre-based sports entertainment company would have an issue getting onto any of the stations that show WWE if they had good enough production values and name talent; the fact that they're lucha based is not going to mean a thing to a TV exec. Therefore as you can already block non-American companies, this option is totally unnecessary.

 

If we take European TV networks as an real life example they are usually very pro America, but frankly a Mexican promotion don't have the same appeal and there haven't been many such examples. Can't say I remember any except AAA on Galavision Europe.

[RatedRKO16]

Honestly this sounds like something that could be patched if it does indeed become an unrealistic issue. Surely Adam could implement something or patch the old system back in if there were issues.

[Historian]

I don't think it is unrealistic at all. Before I made a career change, I worked in the film and television industry and in of the hundreds of meetings I had with execs of various levels, no one was against any kind of content they thought would make them money -- and the way TEW is structured with broadcasters having minimum popularity requirements, production requirements, etc..., there are enough limitations out there that lucha companies -- or puro, or whatever kind of company, aren't going to be getting major deals.

 

In reality, let's say AEW had an entirely lucha product but had the same financial backing. It would have still gotten looked at by major networks. The vast majority of networks in the world care specifically about whether or not something will create revenue streams for them and if a lucha company will then they will give them a shot.

 

Historically, there have not been a lot of broadcast deals for lucha in markets that aren't catering to Hispanic demographics and I understand that. I also understand that say SOTBPW, with all of its glitz and glamour would still not have a deal in Europe, but if they wanted to expand into Europe and focus on that market and had the popularity -- surely they would be able to get a deal. AAA doesn't have a deal in Greece because wrestling on the whole isn't popular in Greece and lucha even less so (I don't think even WWE Raw has a deal on Greece, I think just Smackdown), but if AAA started running spot shows in Greece and focusing on developing Greece as a market they would surely be able to get one eventually.

[Slash-LN]

You can’t convert save games

 

I guess I'll be starting over then. I'm pretty much new to going from game to game. I was playing TEW05 and just made the switch to 2016 like mid 2019. The 2020 game is looking really cool though so I intend to upgrade a lot sooner.

[Guest Asaemon]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Historian" data-cite="Historian" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47197" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I don't think it is unrealistic at all. Before I made a career change, I worked in the film and television industry and in of the hundreds of meetings I had with execs of various levels, no one was against any kind of content they thought would make them money -- and the way TEW is structured with broadcasters having minimum popularity requirements, production requirements, etc..., there are enough limitations out there that lucha companies -- or puro, or whatever kind of company, aren't going to be getting major deals.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Well then we agree that we disagree. If we look at facts and historic tv deals, then why should a spanish talking lucha libre promotion be able to land a deal as easily as a tradition American or sports entertainment promotion? Why shouldn't the lucha libre product have a lower appeal than other mainstream products if we base this on statistics and facts based on the number of real tv deals?</p><p> </p><p> As for puro, both puro and mma is way more appealing for mainstream networks in most parts of the world. That's a fact.</p><p> </p><p> And by the way if you try to increase minimum popularity requirements this will result in that small and regional companies can't sign deals and how realistic is that?</p><p> </p><p> Many small and regional US promotions had TV deals in Europe in the 80s and 90s and using minimum popularity would prevent them from landing deals.</p><p> </p><p> Even GLOW had tv deals in multiple countries, so their appeal is/was higher for mainstream networks than lucha libre in a lot of areas. While lucha libre promotions obviously should have a higher appeal in certain areas (like spanish speaking ones).</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Historian" data-cite="Historian" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47197" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>In reality, let's say AEW had an entirely lucha product but had the same financial backing. It would have still gotten looked at by major networks. The vast majority of networks in the world care specifically about whether or not something will create revenue streams for them and if a lucha company will then they will give them a shot.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's still a US production and a lot of areas around the world are very pro america when it comes to tv and media. And I doubt that AEW would switch language from english to spanish. A spanish/mexican product wouldn't have the same appeal outside certain areas due to languages and so on.</p><p> </p><p> In a lot of parts of the world a US produced english speaking AEW lucha libre product would most likely be more appealing for tv networks than a mexican one, due to the strong US influences that we see on tv.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Historian" data-cite="Historian" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47197" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Historically, there have not been a lot of broadcast deals for lucha in markets that aren't catering to Hispanic demographics and I understand that. I also understand that say SOTBPW, with all of its glitz and glamour would still not have a deal in Europe, but if they wanted to expand into Europe and focus on that market and had the popularity -- surely they would be able to get a deal. AAA doesn't have a deal in Greece because wrestling on the whole isn't popular in Greece and lucha even less so (I don't think even WWE Raw has a deal on Greece, I think just Smackdown), but if AAA started running spot shows in Greece and focusing on developing Greece as a market they would surely be able to get one eventually.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This is fantasy C-verse speculation and I have no problem with that, but I still prefer the function that is in TEW2016 so that I can create different types of mainstream networks (for different areas/target groups) and at the moment it isn't possible since the preset mainstream setting is pro mainstream, lucha libre and probably also comedy.</p>

[Makkaveli101]

My plan is to wait until a 1989-1993 mod is released and then buy the game. It's all I've ever played since playing from 1998!

 

I will add, that I'm more than happy to assist on the creation of said mod(s) if any mod maker would like an extra pair of hands and eyes on the project.

[ShaunGBD]

My plan is to wait until a 1989-1993 mod is released and then buy the game. It's all I've ever played since playing from 1998!

 

I will add, that I'm more than happy to assist on the creation of said mod(s) if any mod maker would like an extra pair of hands and eyes on the project.

 

Question I'm thinking of doing a tour company where I do 112 shows in a row. So from January to mid April. Can I set my tour to end in April

[Adam Ryland]

Question I'm thinking of doing a tour company where I do 112 shows in a row. So from January to mid April. Can I set my tour to end in April

 

Yes, you can. Entry #12 covers this.

 

(Deleted several posts that gave incorrect information in reply to this.)

[Boltinho]

<p>1. Rebuild the Cverse XL mod.</p><p>

2. HIW yo.</p><p>

3. Book Leigh Burton into the superstar he should be</p>

[TheEffect]

<p>I've really gotten into DIW in the last few months and I really hope that they are still active in 2020, so I will hopefully play with them <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

Failing that I may just play with FCW, maybe PRP has finally retired and failing that give MAW another go <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>