Guest cmdrsam Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 I will. Im gonna give him the finger poke of doom. ( Hogan VS Nash) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kungfuchef Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 4-Way for a shot at the Rising Star Rick Rude v King Kong Bundy v Rick McGraw v Super Olympia 3-Way for the Rising Star Les Thornton© v Mark Youngblood v Black Bart Jake Roberts© v Jay Youngblood for the National TV The Samaons v The Road Warriors Roddy Piper v Jerry Brisco Tommy Rich v Ivan Koloff Dusty Rhodes v The Spoiler Harley Race v Ole Anderson Andre the Giant v Buzz Sawyer Yep I think those will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoutlaw321 Posted March 8, 2007 Author Share Posted March 8, 2007 4000 views WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bye1918 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 4-Way for a shot at the Rising Star Rick Rude v King Kong Bundy v Rick McGraw v Super Olympia 3-Way for the Rising Star Les Thornton© v Mark Youngblood v Black Bart Jake Roberts© v Jay Youngblood for the National TV The Samaons v The Road Warriors Roddy Piper v Jerry Brisco Tommy Rich v Ivan Koloff Dusty Rhodes v The Spoiler Harley Race v Ole Anderson Andre the Giant v Buzz Sawyer in the first round of the National Hwt Title Tournament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderndaywarrior Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 4-Way for a shot at the Rising Star Rick Rude v King Kong Bundy v Rick McGraw v Super Olympia The masked man looks to have tons of potential,yet somehow he seems familiar... 3-Way for the Rising Star Les Thornton© v Mark Youngblood v Black Bart Gotta go with the underdog Jake Roberts© v Jay Youngblood for the National TV Jake picks up the win,Ronnie Garvin gets involved The Samaons v The Road Warriors Hawk & Animal look indestructible so far Roddy Piper v Jerry Brisco Chairs get involved,Brisco picks it up by DQ Tommy Rich v Ivan Koloff Wildfire can't handle Koloff's power,Wahoo and Buzz gets involved afterwards Dusty Rhodes v The Spoiler Piper ruins Dusty's day Harley Race v Ole Anderson It's good to be the King...wouldn't be shocked if Afa and Sika showed up too Andre the Giant v Buzz Sawyer in the first round of the National Hwt Title Tournament Buzz just isn't in the big man's league,good chance Wildfire sticks his nose in and promptly gets its slapped off by both men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoutlaw321 Posted March 9, 2007 Author Share Posted March 9, 2007 NWA Championship Wrestling Sat week 4 Feb 83 http://www.midatlanticgateway.com/Audio/ThemeMusic/theme_files/NWA%20Pro%20Wrestling.mp3 http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q81/theoutlaw321/NWACHAMPIONSHIPWRESTLING.jpg Coming to you from the Northwest Tiny Arena in front of a sellout crowd of 1000 and being shown live on TBS! _________________________________________________________________ Dark Match: 4-Way for a shot at the NWA Rising Star Title: http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q81/theoutlaw321/RickRude3.jpg v http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q81/theoutlaw321/KingKongBundy.jpg v http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q81/theoutlaw321/RickMcGraw-1.jpg v http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q81/theoutlaw321/Fishman.jpg Rick Rude v King Kong Bundy v Rick McGraw v Super Olympia Decent match to kick off the show for the crowd. Bundy hit the big splash and covered for the pin. Super Olympia rolls Rude up and gets the pin with the small package. Super Olympia wears the big man down to the point that he gets him in position and wham, DDT and the pin at 8:33. Rude was visibly tiring by the end. Bundy was visibly tiring by the end. C- _________________________________________________________________ http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q81/theoutlaw321/GordonSolie2.jpg The show opens with Gordon Solie at the podium. “Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to tonight’s show. We have a very special show for you tonight. Tonight we will see the National Hwt Title tournament continue when Buzz Sawyer takes on Andre the Giant in our main event. We also have the following matches scheduled for you: Harley Race will take on Ole Anderson; Dusty Rhodes to take on The Spoiler; Tommy Rich will challenge Ivan Koloff; we also have the following title matches-Jake Roberts defends against Jay Youngblood and coming up right after the break there will be a three way for the NWA Rising Star Title. But first we have a very important announcement from the commissioner of NWA, Inc Mr. Jim Barnett. Jim” Jim Barnett makes his way out to the podium. “Good evening Gordon.” GS “Jim you have something you want to tell everyone?” JB “Yes, Gordon. Folks some of you may have heard rumors involving myself. I’d like to take this time to shed some light on these rumors. I have recently been given the chance at some business opportunities. By pursuing these opportunities it has become necessary to resign my position here with the NWA, INC. This will be effective at the conclusion of the show this evening. I have enjoyed my time here working with the management of this fine company and I see nothing but great things in the future for this company. I regret that my opportunities will force me to separate from my duties here. I wish nothing but the best for Jim Crockett Jr and the great folks here. Thank you very much for the opportunities that you have given me. Thanks and good night.” _________________________________________________________________ 3-Way for the NWA Rising Star Title http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q81/theoutlaw321/MarkYoungblood.jpg v http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q81/theoutlaw321/LesThornton-2.jpg v http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q81/theoutlaw321/BlackBart.jpg http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q81/theoutlaw321/Generic31.jpg Mark Youngblood v Les Thornton© v Black Bart Pretty decent match, pitting three guys with very different styles. Thornton retains with a submission by way of the figure four on Black Bart at 6:50. Thornton looked good out there. C- _________________________________________________________________ Interview with Jake Roberts. “Youngblood, tonight you get the unfortunate challenge of facing me in the ring. I can assure you that I will leave here with this still on my shoulder.” For the National TV Title http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q81/theoutlaw321/JakeRoberts2-1.jpghttp://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q81/theoutlaw321/GCW_TV.jpg v http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q81/theoutlaw321/JayYoungblood-1.jpg Jake Roberts National TV Title v Jay Youngblood Very good match. Saw lots of open action. Roberts takes control with a DDT. As he struts around the ring before he finishes him off, he notices Dory Funk Jr, who has made his way down to ringside. As they exchange verbal shots, Terry rolls into the ring and grabs Youngblood’s leg. He slides back out of the ring pulling Youngblood to the floor. He gives him a couple of shots to the head, then lifts him for the pile driver. On seeing this the ref has no choice but to ring the board and award the match to Youngblood on the DQ at 6:06. Roberts slips out with his title over his shoulder and makes his way up the ramp as the Funks continue to beat down on Jay. Mark runs down and runs the Funks off. B- The Funks make their way to the podium. TF “Youngblood, let that serve as a warning to you and your partner. You don’t stick your nose in our business without getting it busted for your troubles. As far as those titles, me and Dory here challenge you to a match for tomorrow night at Caged Heat!” _________________________________________________________________ Interview with Paul Ellering and the Road Warriors. PE “Finally management gives us someone worthy of our time. Samoans, I hope you are in for a war.” A video is shown highlighting the feud between the Samoans and the Andersons. It shows the title win, the injury to Arn, the injury to Gene, and the challenge laid down by Ole for tomorrow nights PPV. Interview with the Samoans. In which they accept the challenge for a loser leave town match at Caged Heat. Sika is improving in performance skills. http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q81/theoutlaw321/Afa-1.jpghttp://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q81/theoutlaw321/Sika-1.jpg v http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q81/theoutlaw321/RoadWarriorAnimal-1.jpghttp://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q81/theoutlaw321/RoadWarriorHawk-1.jpg The Samoans v The Road Warriors w/Paul Ellering Good match for these two teams first encounter. It was more a bar fight as the two teams took turns wailing on each other. Sika is counted out while fighting Hawk on the outside at 5:33 mark that enabled the Warriors to pick up the win by count out. The match was hurt by a lack of selling on display. C+ _________________________________________________________________ A graphic appears on the big screen showing that it will be The Samoans v Ole Anderson and a mystery partner in a loser leave town match for the National Tag Team Titles at Caged Heat. It also shows that Jimmy Valiant defending his MA TV Title against The Great Kabuki in another loser leave town match. Interview with Roddy Piper. “Hehehe, little Brisco, you want some of me tonight? Hehe, well ya got me! “ http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q81/theoutlaw321/RoddyPiper3.jpg v http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q81/theoutlaw321/JerryBrisco-1.jpg Roddy Piper v Jerry Brisco Great match between these two. Piper ends it with the sleeper at 8:28 for the victory. The match lifted the crowd. Piper is improving in technical skills. B- _________________________________________________________________ Graphic is shown highlighting the match between Dusty Rhodes and Roddy Piper tomorrow night at Caged Heat! Video is played highlighting the feud between Sawyer and Rich. A graphic is shown highlighting the fact that we will see Tommy Rich take on Buzz Sawyer in a cage at Caged Heat tomorrow night. http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q81/theoutlaw321/TommyRich2.jpg v http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q81/theoutlaw321/IvanKoloff-1.jpg Tommy Rich v Ivan Koloff Great match that lifted the crowd. These two put on quite a show. Rich gains the pin with the Thesz press at 10:31. Rich is improving in rumble skills. B+ _________________________________________________________________ Video is shown highlighting the Rhodes v Piper feud. Interview with Dusty Rhodes. “Spoilerz, Iz pumped up for ourz fights tonightz. Piper az for youz, tomorrow nightz in the cage, Iz gonna kickz your azz. So you come on and wez settlez this in the cage.” http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q81/theoutlaw321/DustyRhodes.jpg v http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q81/theoutlaw321/TheSpoiler4.jpg Dusty Rhodes v The Spoiler Great match that lifted the crowd. Rhodes ends it by submission with the Weaver lock at 8:56. This happened despite, the fact that Piper interfered during the match. B+ _________________________________________________________________ An announcement is made that the Steamboat/Youngblood v The Funks has been signed for tomorrow night at Caged Heat. Interview with Ole. GS “Ole, as we all know the match has been accepted for tomorrow night. How is your mindset heading into a contest that if you lose, you have stated that you will retire from wrestling?” OA “Gordon, I am as prepared for this match up as I have been for any in my career. Samoans, come prepared, because this won’t resemble a showcase of technical skills, this will be an all out war. I don’t plan on it being my last match!” GS “Ole any word on who your partner will be?” OA smiling “Guess you’ll have to wait till tomorrow to find out like the rest of ‘em.” Ric Flair makes his way out for an interview. Stopping briefly to speak to Ole. They shake hands and Flair continues to the podium. “Gordon, WHOOOOOO! Tomorrow night is going to be something to watch. First of all, Ole, man I wish I wasn’t already signed to fight Race, cause I’d love to go to war with you against those savages. All I’m going to say is this, I got the house on the ‘Rock.’ After all he is an Anderson. Ole, man you know if it comes down to it. I’m there for you man. Family has to stand together. Now, as for you Race. You’ve sent your thug Funk out after me, but he didn’t get the job done. Tomorrow night once they lock the cage door. WHOOOOOO! It’s just you and me! WHOOOOOOO! And we are going all night long! There’s going to be blood, lots of blood! WHOOOOOO! And at the end of the night. I will walk that isle, still the NWA World Champ! WHOOOOOOOOOOO!” A video is played highlighting the Flair/Race feud. http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q81/theoutlaw321/HarleyRace2-1.jpg v http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q81/theoutlaw321/OleAnderson2-1.jpg Harley Race v Ole Anderson Great match that lifted the crowd. These two worked pretty stiff and didn’t seem to click, which made for an awkward bout at times. Race ended it by pin fall after a pile driver at 10:34. B+ ________________________________________________________________ A graphic is shown highlighting the fact that we will see Wahoo McDaniel v Greg Valentine tomorrow night at Caged Heat. A video is played highlighting the feud between Andre the Giant and Hulk Hogan. First round match in the National Hwt Tournament http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q81/theoutlaw321/AndretheGiant-1.jpg v http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q81/theoutlaw321/BuzzSawyer2-1.jpg Andre the Giant v Buzz Sawyer Very good match. Andre used his size and strength advantage to control throughout the match. He seemed to be on the verge of putting Sawyer away, when Hogan appeared at ring side. Andre stopped and yelled at Hogan. Hogan slid into the ring. Looked at Andre and then picked up Buzz and threw him out of the ring forcing the DQ in Sawyer’s favor to eliminate Andre from the tournament at 8:35. Andre and Hogan then go out hard. Andre spills out of the ring. Hogan yells at Andre “Brother, man I want you tomorrow at Caged Heat!”_________________________________________________________________ Show grade B- Attn 1000 Sellout Rating 4.13 Money $2,766,692(-454,444 ouch!) http://www.midatlanticgateway.com/Audio/ThemeMusic/theme_files/NWA%20Pro%20Wrestling.mp3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjhabeeb Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 damn i dont think i got one pick this time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoutlaw321 Posted March 9, 2007 Author Share Posted March 9, 2007 The entries: Lets see Im gonna take these picks. Rude Thorton Jake Roberts L.O.D. Piper Rich Going upset Spoiler over the American Dream Race And in a huge upset Buzz over The 8th wonder 4-Way for a shot at the Rising Star Rick Rude v King Kong Bundy v Rick McGraw v Super Olympia 3-Way for the Rising Star Les Thornton© v Mark Youngblood v Black Bart Jake Roberts© v Jay Youngblood for the National TV The Samaons v The Road Warriors Roddy Piper v Jerry Brisco Tommy Rich v Ivan Koloff Dusty Rhodes v The Spoiler Harley Race v Ole Anderson Andre the Giant v Buzz Sawyer in the first round of the National Hwt Title Tournament 4-Way for a shot at the Rising Star Rick Rude v King Kong Bundy v Rick McGraw v Super Olympia 3-Way for the Rising Star Les Thornton© v Mark Youngblood v Black Bart Jake Roberts© v Jay Youngblood for the National TV The Samaons v The Road Warriors Roddy Piper v Jerry Brisco Damn Dusty Tommy Rich v Ivan Koloff Dusty Rhodes v The Spoiler Damn Piper Harley Race v Ole Anderson Andre the Giant v Buzz Sawyer in the first round of the National Hwt Title Tournament the real question is who will knock Andre out of the tourny 4-Way for a shot at the Rising Star Rick Rude v King Kong Bundy v Rick McGraw v Super Olympia 3-Way for the Rising Star Les Thornton© v Mark Youngblood v Black Bart Jake Roberts© v Jay Youngblood for the National TV The Samaons v The Road Warriors Roddy Piper v Jerry Brisco Tommy Rich v Ivan Koloff Dusty Rhodes v The Spoiler Harley Race v Ole Anderson Andre the Giant v Buzz Sawyer Yep I think those will do. 4-Way for a shot at the Rising Star Rick Rude v King Kong Bundy v Rick McGraw v Super Olympia 3-Way for the Rising Star Les Thornton© v Mark Youngblood v Black Bart Jake Roberts© v Jay Youngblood for the National TV The Samaons v The Road Warriors Roddy Piper v Jerry Brisco Tommy Rich v Ivan Koloff Dusty Rhodes v The Spoiler Harley Race v Ole Anderson Andre the Giant v Buzz Sawyer in the first round of the National Hwt Title Tournament 4-Way for a shot at the Rising Star Rick Rude v King Kong Bundy v Rick McGraw v Super Olympia The masked man looks to have tons of potential,yet somehow he seems familiar... 3-Way for the Rising Star Les Thornton© v Mark Youngblood v Black Bart Gotta go with the underdog Jake Roberts© v Jay Youngblood for the National TV Jake picks up the win,Ronnie Garvin gets involved The Samaons v The Road Warriors Hawk & Animal look indestructible so far Roddy Piper v Jerry Brisco Chairs get involved,Brisco picks it up by DQ Tommy Rich v Ivan Koloff Wildfire can't handle Koloff's power,Wahoo and Buzz gets involved afterwards Dusty Rhodes v The Spoiler Piper ruins Dusty's day Harley Race v Ole Anderson It's good to be the King...wouldn't be shocked if Afa and Sika showed up too Andre the Giant v Buzz Sawyer in the first round of the National Hwt Title Tournament Buzz just isn't in the big man's league,good chance Wildfire sticks his nose in and promptly gets its slapped off by both men Actual results: Super Olympia over Bundy, Rude and McGraw Thornton over Youngblood and Black Bart Jay Youngblood by DQ over Roberts Road Warriors over the Samoans Piper over Jerry Brisco Rich over Koloff Rhodes over the Spoiler Race over Anderson Sawyer by DQ over Andre And the results are.....................A tie! Congratulations cmdrsam and keefmon! Each correctly predicted 6 right. Also I wanted to point out that cmdrsam actually picked the huge upset in the main event. I will be PM'ing you two to tell you what you have won! Thanks to all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cmdrsam Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 Received the new car today outlaw. Im not gonna ask why the ignition was man handled ok, and o,,thanks for the beer in the trunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoutlaw321 Posted March 9, 2007 Author Share Posted March 9, 2007 Thanks and I hope you like it. (By the way, I always operate under an don't ask don't tell policy.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoutlaw321 Posted March 10, 2007 Author Share Posted March 10, 2007 Caged Heat Preview for Sunday wk 4 Feb 1983 Coming to you tomorrow night live on PPV from Mid Atlantic Big! All Matches Will Take Place Inside a Steel Cage! Loser Leave Town/Ole Anderson Retirement Match The Samoans v Ole Anderson© and ??? for the National Tag Titles Loser Leave Town The Great Kabuki© v Jimmy Valiant for the MA TV Title Steamboat/Youngblood© v The Funks for the NWA World Tag Team Titles Tommy Rich v Buzz Sawyer Wahoo McDaniel© v Greg Valentine for the US Hwt Title Dusty Rhodes v Roddy Piper Andre the Giant v Hulk Hogan Ric Flair© v Harley Race for the NWA World Hwt Title Order today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderndaywarrior Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Loser Leave Town/Ole Anderson Retirement Match The Samoans v Ole Anderson© and ??? for the National Tag Titles Look for The Samoans in WWF ring near you! Loser Leave Town The Great Kabuki© v Jimmy Valiant for the MA TV Title Goobye Boogie Woogie...Hello Charlie Brown From Outta Town! Steamboat/Youngblood© v The Funks for the NWA World Tag Team Titles The Funks have a history of Success in the NWA World Title picture... Tommy Rich v Buzz Sawyer "The Fireplug" picks one up,all out war ensues Wahoo McDaniel© v Greg Valentine for the US Hwt Title Good chance Ivan and Greg break Wahoo's leg Dusty Rhodes v Roddy Piper The American Dream finally gets a clean win Andre the Giant v Hulk Hogan Tough one to call;I'll go with the big man via some sort of Bockwinkel tomfoolery Ric Flair© v Harley Race for the NWA World Hwt Title It's good to be The King......Slick Ric gets upset and plots his revenge with the help of a few good friends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjhabeeb Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Loser Leave Town/Ole Anderson Retirement Match The Samoans v Ole Anderson© and ??? for the National Tag Titles I really wanna pick the Somoans because i dont know what you can do with Ole....but i guess the Somoans got a jib somewhere else Loser Leave Town The Great Kabuki© v Jimmy Valiant for the MA TV Title Boogie Woogie Elbow drop Steamboat/Youngblood© v The Funks for the NWA World Tag Team Titles Steamboat never loses Tommy Rich v Buzz Sawyer Wahoo McDaniel© v Greg Valentine for the US Hwt Title break Valentines leg chief Dusty Rhodes v Roddy Piper Andre the Giant v Hulk Hogan I checked Andre hasnt taken his vitamins in a while Ric Flair© v Harley Race for the NWA World Hwt Title It doesnt matter how many jesters Race has we are talking about the NATURE BOY WHhoooooooooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoutlaw321 Posted March 10, 2007 Author Share Posted March 10, 2007 Man, wouldn't wrestling be different if the NWA DID strike first? What a great concept for a diary. 4-way for a shot at the Rising Star Title: Black Bart v Rick Rude v King Kong Bundy v Rick McGraw Prediction: King Kong Bundy, big fan of the Ravishing one but King Kong Bundy was a monster and it's believable for him to win. 3-way for the Rising Star Title Mark Youngblood© v Les Thornton v Ken Timbs Prediction: Like the look of Mark Youngblood defending here. Larry Zbyszko and Buzz Sawyer v Tommy Rich and Mr. Wrestling 2 Prediction: What a good match that would be. I'll giving the Living Legend and Buzz Sawyer. Ricky Steamboat and Jay Youngblood© v Dory Funk Jr and Greg Valentine for the NWA World Tag Team Titles Prediction: Again, another great match, I'm tempted to go the Hammer and Dory, but I'll go the Dragon and Jay Youngblood. Harley Race v Ole Anderson Prediction: Harley Race, Ole Anderson is a tough old bast@rd, but Harley Race was a consummate pro. Wahoo McDaniel© v Ivan Koloff for the US Hwt Title Prediction: Sickles... all round? I'll go for Wahoo to defend though. Nick Bockwinkel v Hulk Hogan Prediction: Hulk Hogan. I'd prefer Nick Bockwinkel, but I think Hogan will get the change here. Andre the Giant v Dusty Rhodes Prediction: Andre Ric Flair© v Terry Funk for the NWA World Hwt Title Prediction: WOOOO - the dirtiest..player...in the game Thanks, I apologize for not responding sooner. I don't know how I missed it. 6 right. You have a pretty good read on my book. For the record though, Hogan don't get no love here either. Jsut don't tell the internet hounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cmdrsam Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Loser Leave Town/Ole Anderson Retirement Match The Samoans v Ole Anderson© and ??? for the National Tag Titles pick=Ole and ? Loser Leave Town The Great Kabuki© v Jimmy Valiant for the MA TV Title Good bye Jimmy see you soon in a mask.pick= Kabuki Steamboat/Youngblood© v The Funks for the NWA World Tag Team Titles pick= somehow see Steamboat and Youngblood holding on.Steamboat/Youngblood Tommy Rich v Buzz Sawyer Buzz is on a good roll. Coming off a huge upset win. But all thigns come to a end.pick= Rich,,but Buzz goes ape Wahoo McDaniel© v Greg Valentine for the US Hwt Title pick=Valentine Dusty Rhodes v Roddy Piper Pick= the Rowdy One. Andre the Giant v Hulk Hogan Andre isnt gonna lose 2 in a row. Pick=Andre Ric Flair© v Harley Race for the NWA World Hwt Title pick=Race. Flair is great as champion but I alway liked him even more when he was chasing the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kungfuchef Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Loser Leave Town/Ole Anderson Retirement Match The Samoans v Ole Anderson© and ??? for the National Tag Titles Loser Leave Town The Great Kabuki© v Jimmy Valiant for the MA TV Title Steamboat/Youngblood© v The Funks for the NWA World Tag Team Titles Tommy Rich v Buzz Sawyer Wahoo McDaniel© v Greg Valentine for the US Hwt Title Dusty Rhodes v Roddy Piper Andre the Giant v Hulk Hogan Ric Flair© v Harley Race for the NWA World Hwt Title Im going with the above this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefmoon Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 Coming to you tomorrow night live on PPV from Mid Atlantic Big! All Matches Will Take Place Inside a Steel Cage! Loser Leave Town/Ole Anderson Retirement Match The Samoans v Ole Anderson© and ??? for the National Tag Titles Loser Leave Town The Great Kabuki© v Jimmy Valiant for the MA TV Title Steamboat/Youngblood© v The Funks for the NWA World Tag Team Titles Tommy Rich v Buzz Sawyer Wahoo McDaniel© v Greg Valentine for the US Hwt Title Dusty Rhodes v Roddy Piper Andre the Giant v Hulk Hogan (Hulk at his peak was at least 50% media creation, and as I was never that much into him I'd love to see you get the media hype around another more deserving guy.) Ric Flair© v Harley Race for the NWA World Hwt Title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoutlaw321 Posted March 12, 2007 Author Share Posted March 12, 2007 Andre the Giant v Hulk Hogan (Hulk at his peak was at least 50% media creation, and as I was never that much into him I'd love to see you get the media hype around another more deserving guy.) Agreed. Big guy with good look and decent mic skills. And absolutely no wrestling skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderndaywarrior Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 Andre the Giant v Hulk Hogan (Hulk at his peak was at least 50% media creation, and as I was never that much into him I'd love to see you get the media hype around another more deserving guy.) While I agree that at his peak Hogan was mostly media creation,I do have to semi-disagree that he was sorely lacking in ring skills.If you look at his Pre-WWF work in places like the AWA and IWGP,he does display an at least passable knowledge of wrestling holds;certainly he's no Lou Thesz but he was a bit better than he is given credit for;I think the problem is once he went to the WWF his moveset was,for lack of a better term,"dumbed down",and many of the more technical maneuvers fell to the wayside.That seems to be the trend with the WWF post Bob Backlund,basic Punch/Kick/Power-moves almost always taking precedence over technical ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefmoon Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 While I agree that at his peak Hogan was mostly media creation,I do have to semi-disagree that he was sorely lacking in ring skills.If you look at his Pre-WWF work in places like the AWA and IWGP,he does display an at least passable knowledge of wrestling holds;certainly he's no Lou Thesz but he was a bit better than he is given credit for;I think the problem is once he went to the WWF his moveset was,for lack of a better term,"dumbed down",and many of the more technical maneuvers fell to the wayside.That seems to be the trend with the WWF post Bob Backlund,basic Punch/Kick/Power-moves almost always taking precedence over technical ability. That is certainly true. I wouldn't say he had no talent in the ring, but even if it was dumbed down, his knowledge was fairly basic when you consider how hugely over he was. And he never tried to better himself enough for my liking. Even Goldberg tried to add a few more technical moves to his wham, bam, thank you ma'am arsenal. I guess Hulk was the foundation the fed tried to build its stars upon; charismatic, good on the stick, but ultimately not up to much in the ring. Step forward Ultimate Warrior, Diesel, John Cena et al. I just think that at this point in history, with the knowledge we now have, if you could invent a media creation like Hulk was, maybe someone and bit more talented and deserving should be the guy used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderndaywarrior Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 That is certainly true. I wouldn't say he had no talent in the ring, but even if it was dumbed down, his knowledge was fairly basic when you consider how hugely over he was. And he never tried to better himself enough for my liking. Even Goldberg tried to add a few more technical moves to his wham, bam, thank you ma'am arsenal. I guess Hulk was the foundation the fed tried to build its stars upon; charismatic, good on the stick, but ultimately not up to much in the ring. Step forward Ultimate Warrior, Diesel, John Cena et al. I just think that at this point in history, with the knowledge we now have, if you could invent a media creation like Hulk was, maybe someone and bit more talented and deserving should be the guy used. Now that I agree completely;Hulk was a Champion in the style of "Superstar" Billy Graham,not in terms of his character or interview style but in the sense of he was a guy who was basic in the ring but had such charisma and ability to cut a good promo that people would come to see him on their own.Really even guys like Jerry Lawler fit in that mold too,just Hulk was first one to get the mega-push on the national level.Generally that type of wrestler never really makes an effort to expand his repetoire,if you can draw sell out crowds and bring the roof down(which pretty much is what a Main Event guy is supposed to do) doing just 5 or 6 moves,why bother learning more? From a wrestling history standpoint,the business was (sadly) shifting its focus away from "Traditional" in-ring ability towards the "Sports Entertainment" style emphasis on characters and gimmicks;the era we are seeing here is that "sweet spot" where there was just about an even balance of both elements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Boons Ghost Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 ... I guess Hulk was the foundation the fed tried to build its stars upon; charismatic, good on the stick, but ultimately not up to much in the ring. Step forward Ultimate Warrior, Diesel, John Cena et al... Have you guys watched Hogan's work in Japan? He was a lot better in the ring over there than he ever was in the U.S. Hogan was smart. He knew what it took to get over wherever he worked and used that to his benefit. As the Japanese valued in-ring skill over overt charisma (in most cases), Hogan would bust out quite a few technical moves. Gagne booked Hogan as the next-gen Crusher in the AWA; there was no need to use step-over takedowns. And the WWF was always a Hoss territory (Backlund being an exception, not the rule in New York); why bother with chain wrestling when the fans were perfectly content to cheer the hulk up and pose down? Hogan was certainly no Jack Brisco - but for a Big Man, he was a lot better than most (imo). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cmdrsam Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 Im gonna have to agree as much as it pains me. Early to mid Hogan he could wrestle from time to time. Feel like his last "wrestling " match was his fued with Savage in the Big E. He is a smart cookie and nows how much he has to do just to get over. But here is the big arguement. As smart as he is and was can you imagine how even bigger he would have been if he focused on wrestling. Hogan always has had his haters. Case in point the last time he came thru here in the AWA days he got sent back out of here via a beer bottle to the back of the head. Not that im condoning such an act. Have no room for real violence in my wrestling world. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoutlaw321 Posted March 12, 2007 Author Share Posted March 12, 2007 (Hulk at his peak was at least 50% media creation, and as I was never that much into him I'd love to see you get the media hype around another more deserving guy.) [ Agreed. Big guy with good look and decent mic skills. And absolutely no wrestling skills. While I agree that at his peak Hogan was mostly media creation, I do have to semi-disagree that he was sorely lacking in ring skills.If you look at his Pre-WWF work in places like the AWA and IWGP,he does display an at least passable knowledge of wrestling holds;certainly he's no Lou Thesz but he was a bit better than he is given credit for;I think the problem is once he went to the WWF his moveset was,for lack of a better term,"dumbed down",and many of the more technical maneuvers fell to the wayside.That seems to be the trend with the WWF post Bob Backlund,basic Punch/Kick/Power-moves almost always taking precedence over technical ability. That is certainly true. I wouldn't say he had no talent in the ring, but even if it was dumbed down, his knowledge was fairly basic when you consider how hugely over he was. And he never tried to better himself enough for my liking. Even Goldberg tried to add a few more technical moves to his wham, bam, thank you ma'am arsenal. I guess Hulk was the foundation the fed tried to build its stars upon; charismatic, good on the stick, but ultimately not up to much in the ring. Step forward Ultimate Warrior, Diesel, John Cena et al. I just think that at this point in history, with the knowledge we now have, if you could invent a media creation like Hulk was, maybe someone and bit more talented and deserving should be the guy used. Now that I agree completely;Hulk was a Champion in the style of "Superstar" Billy Graham,not in terms of his character or interview style but in the sense of he was a guy who was basic in the ring but had such charisma and ability to cut a good promo that people would come to see him on their own.Really even guys like Jerry Lawler fit in that mold too,just Hulk was first one to get the mega-push on the national level.Generally that type of wrestler never really makes an effort to expand his repetoire,if you can draw sell out crowds and bring the roof down(which pretty much is what a Main Event guy is supposed to do) doing just 5 or 6 moves,why bother learning more? From a wrestling history standpoint,the business was (sadly) shifting its focus away from "Traditional" in-ring ability towards the "Sports Entertainment" style emphasis on characters and gimmicks;the era we are seeing here is that "sweet spot" where there was just about an even balance of both elements. Have you guys watched Hogan's work in Japan? He was a lot better in the ring over there than he ever was in the U.S. Hogan was smart. He knew what it took to get over wherever he worked and used that to his benefit. As the Japanese valued in-ring skill over overt charisma (in most cases), Hogan would bust out quite a few technical moves. Gagne booked Hogan as the next-gen Crusher in the AWA; there was no need to use step-over takedowns. And the WWF was always a Hoss territory (Backlund being an exception, not the rule in New York); why bother with chain wrestling when the fans were perfectly content to cheer the hulk up and pose down? Hogan was certainly no Jack Brisco - but for a Big Man, he was a lot better than most (imo). Im gonna have to agree as much as it pains me. Early to mid Hogan he could wrestle from time to time. Feel like his last "wrestling " match was his fued with Savage in the Big E. He is a smart cookie and nows how much he has to do just to get over. But here is the big arguement. As smart as he is and was can you imagine how even bigger he would have been if he focused on wrestling. Hogan always has had his haters. Case in point the last time he came thru here in the AWA days he got sent back out of here via a beer bottle to the back of the head. Not that im condoning such an act. Have no room for real violence in my wrestling world. LOL Wow, what a nice debate. Wished I'd have been awake for it. I guess I need to clarify my position. Yes, DBG, I have saw tapes of some of his matches from Japan. I feel that he did exhibit more of a moveset in his time over there. I also think that the quality of technical workers that he was wrestling may have enhanced the overall appearence of his work. I think you guys are correct in that he did what he had too in the promotion he was in to get over and appeal to the fan base that it had. Hence the varying opinions of fans depending on their location or where they saw him perform. I feel that he 'looked' better from a technical side in Japan. He was asked to do something different in the AWA. And then something entirely different in the WWF. I guess, my biggest problem from a personal standpoint with Hogan stems from the assoaciation with Vince. Vince took a big guy with a great look and decent mic skills and turned him into a media phenom. This pairing has probably done more as far as the acceptance into the mainstream as anything that has ever been done or maybe ever be(The Battle of the Billionaires aside.) I don't think anyone will argue that he has more technical skills than DGB's example of Jack Brisco, Verne Gagne, Lou Thesz(MDW), Larry Zybszko, Dory Funk Jr, Dean Malenko, and I could go on and on and on. But he didn't have to. He was in the right spot at the right spot at the right time, or maybe he was just the perfect worker to take it to the next level as far as Vince's vision goes. I teeter between seeing genius in Vince and just being lucky that something takes off(especially seeing what the 'E' puts on today. I ramble too much sometimes. The biggest problem I have with Hogan is the fact that he is about himself. He could care less about the business. He'll only do something if it puts himself over. He has never been one to put someone over. Growing up watching the NWA, then the WCW, I grew accustom to that. Race passed the torch to Flair, Flair to Sting, etc, etc. These guys did what was best for the business. Build them up, put them over. (Hey-funny one of the main themes of this great game.) Starcade '83 was one of the crowning moments in wrestling. Race passing it over to Flair. Andre to Flair at Wrestlemania 3. Can anyone think of a time when Hogan really put someone over? I mean really put someone over? I think the greatest stable ever created was the Four Horsemen. The NWA/WCW used it to push the guys in it and also to put over the guys that they feuded with. Booking perfection. Upon the creation of the NWO at Bash at the Beach in 1996, I hoped and prayed that the right thing would have been done. That ultimately the Outsiders would turn on Hogan and destroy him, but alas I regress, like so much from that era of great WCW booking they drug that out and wasted it IMHO. And still to this day he feels that if paid enough he could carry the WWE. What an egomaniac. Anyway, yes, I too feel that he posses more technical skills than he showed, but I still can't stand the guy. Man it's nice to have a debate about wrestling without it turning into a name calling tirade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefmoon Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 Have you guys watched Hogan's work in Japan? He was a lot better in the ring over there than he ever was in the U.S. Hogan was smart. He knew what it took to get over wherever he worked and used that to his benefit. As the Japanese valued in-ring skill over overt charisma (in most cases), Hogan would bust out quite a few technical moves. Gagne booked Hogan as the next-gen Crusher in the AWA; there was no need to use step-over takedowns. And the WWF was always a Hoss territory (Backlund being an exception, not the rule in New York); why bother with chain wrestling when the fans were perfectly content to cheer the hulk up and pose down? Hogan was certainly no Jack Brisco - but for a Big Man, he was a lot better than most (imo). Yeah I've seen him in Japan, and for a big guy he did some good work. I'm just not much of a fan, as I don't believe his in ring ability justified his global appeal. He was pretty talented, but overachieved on the basis of his in ring ability. Especially when one of my favourite wrestlers was Ricky Steamboat, who didn't get even a smidgin of Hulks popularity. But in the ring, there's no comparison. Also, what I was suggesting was in terms of Outlaws game here; he has the opportunity to build another global megastar. I would like it to be someone who had more talent in the ring with Hogan. You do, however, make some very good points. Wow, what a nice debate. Wished I'd have been awake for it. I guess I need to clarify my position. Yes, DBG, I have saw tapes of some of his matches from Japan. I feel that he did exhibit more of a moveset in his time over there. I also think that the quality of technical workers that he was wrestling may have enhanced the overall appearence of his work. I think you guys are correct in that he did what he had too in the promotion he was in to get over and appeal to the fan base that it had. Hence the varying opinions of fans depending on their location or where they saw him perform. I feel that he 'looked' better from a technical side in Japan. He was asked to do something different in the AWA. And then something entirely different in the WWF. I guess, my biggest problem from a personal standpoint with Hogan stems from the assoaciation with Vince. Vince took a big guy with a great look and decent mic skills and turned him into a media phenom. This pairing has probably done more as far as the acceptance into the mainstream as anything that has ever been done or maybe ever be(The Battle of the Billionaires aside.) I don't think anyone will argue that he has more technical skills than DGB's example of Jack Brisco, Verne Gagne, Lou Thesz(MDW), Larry Zybszko, Dory Funk Jr, Dean Malenko, and I could go on and on and on. But he didn't have to. He was in the right spot at the right spot at the right time, or maybe he was just the perfect worker to take it to the next level as far as Vince's vision goes. I teeter between seeing genius in Vince and just being lucky that something takes off(especially seeing what the 'E' puts on today. I ramble too much sometimes. The biggest problem I have with Hogan is the fact that he is about himself. He could care less about the business. He'll only do something if it puts himself over. He has never been one to put someone over. Growing up watching the NWA, then the WCW, I grew accustom to that. Race passed the torch to Flair, Flair to Sting, etc, etc. These guys did what was best for the business. Build them up, put them over. (Hey-funny one of the main themes of this great game.) Starcade '83 was one of the crowning moments in wrestling. Race passing it over to Flair. Andre to Flair at Wrestlemania 3. Can anyone think of a time when Hogan really put someone over? I mean really put someone over? I think the greatest stable ever created was the Four Horsemen. The NWA/WCW used it to push the guys in it and also to put over the guys that they feuded with. Booking perfection. Upon the creation of the NWO at Bash at the Beach in 1996, I hoped and prayed that the right thing would have been done. That ultimately the Outsiders would turn on Hogan and destroy him, but alas I regress, like so much from that era of great WCW booking they drug that out and wasted it IMHO. And still to this day he feels that if paid enough he could carry the WWE. What an egomaniac. Anyway, yes, I too feel that he posses more technical skills than he showed, but I still can't stand the guy. Man it's nice to have a debate about wrestling without it turning into a name calling tirade. I echo some of your sentiments. While it would be hard not to, he let the fame go to his head. He really thinks/thought he was the biggest, most important person in the wrestling world, even in 1999 in WCW and 2006 in the WWE. His failure to put youngsters over now is shocking when you think about it. 20 something Randy Orton, who is a former world champ and supposed to be the future of the company loses to 50 something Hulk who struggles to jump and bump properly and is so ridiculously past it, it would be funny if it wasn't so sad. It should have killed Orton's career when you look at like that. He was a helluva lot better in all aspects of wrestling than I could ever be, but in hindsight as he was so much media creation I would like to see someone better in the ring get the Jesus-push of all Jesus pushes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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