Teh_Showtime Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arrows" data-cite="Arrows" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Really has been Cena's big flaw for a long while now. The man never sells, and he has completely destroyed momentum for people against him in the process. He has to trash everyone who comes against him, mostly because jokes are the only reason people cheer him anymore.<p> </p><p> Let's not forget, most of the time Cena buries someone by pretending they're not even cutting a promo and then mocking them, they go on to get buried in the match despite whatever odds there may be, and that just proves Cena ignoring them and mocking them is about all they're worth.</p><p> </p><p> If you put a guy over through your promos, him losing doesn't have half the negative effect.</p><p> </p><p> Really wonder if Cena even knows how to put people over. It's about time for him to start doing so if WWE's going to prepare for the future at all.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It is a huge factor on how well people are received after they feud with him. Cena treated Punk and Bryan as equals and threats to him and they were able to get more popular because of clashing with Cena and he elevated them. But then he feuded with Ziggler and literally said he didn't do anything in the company (despite being current MITB and holding literally every title possible except the WWE title, which includes the world title) and he beats him 3 times while kicking out of 3-4 finishers. It's like of course he won't gain anything from that</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayelek Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Reminds me of Cena's US Title run when he totally buried Kenzo Suzuki. Admittedly I was quite the mark at the time (probably still am a fair amount), but Cena took a guy with a decent look who I loved watching in the ring and made him a joke the whole time they feuded. But then, I think that's because they were just trying to get Cena over quickly, since he won the WWE Title at the next Wrestlemania. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 <p>Cena's character around that time was centered around that kind of stuff though, it was closer to Rock than any of his work since.</p><p> </p><p> The past few years Cena has been the "measuring stick" so to speak (and is now openly saying it on TV) and so if he flat out destroys someone's credibility on the mic, when there is a strong chance he will win the feud as well it just doesn't look good for his opponent. There are some exceptions like in 2011 with ADR where Punk and Cena were both on fire and he couldn't keep up. That would be a different situation.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaMegaFish Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Final Countdown" data-cite="The Final Countdown" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I agree that it won't kill him, but the two situations aren't equal. By 1999, Undertaker was already firmly entrenched as a main eventer, and I don't think anything Rock said or did could have changed that. Bray's position and reputation isn't nearly that steady or established yet.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Was reading about this today at work and these were my exact thoughts. If Y2J or Rock trashes somebody like Undertaker, Austin or whatever ,those guys are on equal footing, you aren't hurting them because they've already established themselves as huge threats.</p><p> </p><p> Bray being trashed by Cena is a bit different though, seeing as Bray isn't on Cena's level and the feud should help elevate Bray some. You can elevate someone at all when you completely trash them. I do understand at the same time Cena has to have some sort of response, but instead of the mocking route he could have acknowledged what The Wyatt family has accomplished so far, and claimed that they won't have such an easy time with him. It's a tired thing to say, but it is probably better than really harshly running down someone who is still trying to be elevated.</p><p> </p><p> Edit- You know, thinking even more on my original thoughts on what Cena could say, remember how a couple years ago Punk called out Cena for always trying to play the underdog card, reminding him "You're the 10 time WWE Champ, youre the man!"? Well he was right. At this point, Cena should be that to put over Bray. Hype himself up to make Bray look closer to an equal/a credible threat by the time they have their match. Overall, I think people just want Cena more to play in to the story instead of running some weird side attack that doesn't help progress the story. You won't hear any of the stuff Cena said in any promo build up for the match, it didn't help their story.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 <p><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Raw Review:</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong>Hogan</strong> - Better than his last promo. I marked out for both of Bray's promos. "You're time is up and I am forever." Cena's comeback was decent but joking about a serious heel's gimmick is risky (unlike Bryan joking about Douchetista). Luckily Bray can hold his own on the mic.</p><p> <strong>Cena vs Rowan</strong> - OK match. Cop-out finish but it was nice to see Rowan manhandling Cena.</p><p> <strong>Rybaxel vs The Usos</strong> - Solid match. Road Dogg should join the Smackdown announce team.</p><p> <strong>Swagger vs Big E</strong> - Solid match. The Real Americans break-up storyline is funny.</p><p> <strong>Undertaker & Heyman</strong> - Good segment. Heyman is so damn good at hyping matches.</p><p> <strong>The Shield vs Rhodes Bros</strong> - Good match.</p><p> <strong>AJ & Tamina vs The Bellas</strong> - Nice stiff divas matches. Nikki's finisher is good. Natalya was actually tolerable on the mic for a change.</p><p> <strong>Bryan Occupies Raw</strong> - Started off cring-worthy turned into an entertaining segment.</p><p> <strong>Sheamus vs Christian</strong> - Good street fight.</p><p> <strong>Bryan & Show vs Orton & Batista</strong> - Solid match.</p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Verdict:</span></strong> Solid Raw. Bryan getting a shot at the WM30 main event was the highlight. Hopefully this Battle Royale means they aren't going to pack the main show with 10 matches like rumored.</p><p> </p><p> <img alt="tumblr_n292wuJnKD1rnjfjfo1_500.gif" data-src="https://24.media.tumblr.com/349fb96a4e294249bdcff01b4e993898/tumblr_n292wuJnKD1rnjfjfo1_500.gif" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Jim Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 "Undertaker, with his mickey-mouse tattoos and his 33 pound head, jumpin' around screaming like a girl." -The Rock, talking about the Undertaker in 1999, a few moments before saying that Undertaker and Big Show would wet themselves when The Rock appeared. Seriously John Cena talking about Cracker Barrel isn't going to kill Bray. Was he talking to him face-to-face? Because if so, then that doesn't negate the point about Cena, just means Rock did it too... if they weren't both present then it's a different scenario. If you're just cutting a promo by yourself, then fine, make light of the guy, but when he's RIGHT THERE, you need to show at least some acknowledgement of him being a threat. Anyway, it was just a small thing I noticed, didn't mean for it to get drawn out into an extended discussion, and I already said it wouldn't dent Bray's momentum anywhere near noticeably but it certainly didn't help him, which was more my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Slim Jim" data-cite="Slim Jim" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Was he talking to him face-to-face? Because if so, then that doesn't negate the point about Cena, just means Rock did it too... if they weren't both present then it's a different scenario. If you're just cutting a promo by yourself, then fine, make light of the guy, but when he's RIGHT THERE, you need to show at least some acknowledgement of him being a threat. Anyway, it was just a small thing I noticed, didn't mean for it to get drawn out into an extended discussion, and I already said it wouldn't dent Bray's momentum anywhere near noticeably but it certainly didn't help him, which was more my point.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm not trying to "negate" anything, I'm just showing that this is nothing new, it's what smarmy babyfaces in WWE have been doing for 15 years. If anything, Cena no-selling his knee injury what, two weeks after being murdered by the Wyatts is worse than him being joke-y on the microphone.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbergey_2005 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Slim Jim" data-cite="Slim Jim" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Was he talking to him face-to-face? Because if so, then that doesn't negate the point about Cena, just means Rock did it too... if they weren't both present then it's a different scenario. If you're just cutting a promo by yourself, then fine, make light of the guy, but when he's RIGHT THERE, you need to show at least some acknowledgement of him being a threat. Anyway, it was just a small thing I noticed, didn't mean for it to get drawn out into an extended discussion, and I already said it wouldn't dent Bray's momentum anywhere near noticeably but it certainly didn't help him, which was more my point.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> His entire gimmick is pretty much awful and poor for putting anyone over. He sits there and begs for a beatdown with showing no signs at all he is worried. At least with this same gimmick, Hulk Hogan would appear worried/nervous and sell the heel as a MAJOR threat. The only time you will see Cena sell an opponent is when it is a face that doesnt need selling.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrows Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jbergey_2005" data-cite="jbergey_2005" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>His entire gimmick is pretty much awful and poor for putting anyone over. He sits there and begs for a beatdown with showing no signs at all he is worried. At least with this same gimmick, Hulk Hogan would appear worried/nervous and sell the heel as a MAJOR threat. The only time you will see Cena sell an opponent is when it is a face that doesnt need selling.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Even when he DOES get beat down, it's never one on one, and he still completely craps all over the moment to ensure that he's the only one coming out of the situation with any momentum.</p><p> </p><p> It's what he did to the Nexus night 1 with the stupid thumbs up to the fans while he was being taken away. Completely killed any legitimacy they had when eight of them couldn't do enough to Cena to keep him from being the one on top somehow.</p><p> </p><p> I get that WWE needs their fallback guy, but they need to realize Cena's not going to lose his spot in the eyes of the fans who still care. He's always going to be John Cena. It's been time for him to start putting people over for a long time now. Hopefully Mania will see him actual bother to do that.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jbergey_2005" data-cite="jbergey_2005" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>At least with this same gimmick, Hulk Hogan would appear worried/nervous and sell the heel as a MAJOR threat.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Hogan often gets a lot of flak for being selfish and refusing to put anyone over, but I simply don't feel that's true. Look back at his feuds even with the most silly of opponents, like The Dungeon of Doom; look how he sold anything they did. Look how he sold being hugged by a dude dressed up like a mummy. Look how he sold Warrior being in his mirror in the dumbest WCW skit since Robocop was Sting's valet. Damn, he even sold the Rock Bottom like it was a Piledriver to a concrete floor...</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayW Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hive" data-cite="Hive" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hogan often gets a lot of flak for being selfish and refusing to put anyone over, but I simply don't feel that's true. Look back at his feuds even with the most silly of opponents, like The Dungeon of Doom; look how he sold anything they did. Look how he sold being hugged by a dude dressed up like a mummy. Look how he sold Warrior being in his mirror in the dumbest WCW skit since Robocop was Sting's valet. Damn, he even sold the Rock Bottom like it was a Piledriver to a concrete floor...</div></blockquote><p> I've always loved the way Hogan sells. It's the face. Hogan can go over anyone but still make his opponent feel like a real threat in the match, even with "Hulking Up". His face, those wide eyes, that "oh crap what am I doing here?" look. Priceless.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattywood Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hive" data-cite="Hive" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hogan often gets a lot of flak for being selfish and refusing to put anyone over, but I simply don't feel that's true. Look back at his feuds even with the most silly of opponents, like The Dungeon of Doom; look how he sold anything they did. Look how he sold being hugged by a dude dressed up like a mummy. Look how he sold Warrior being in his mirror in the dumbest WCW skit since Robocop was Sting's valet. Damn, he even sold the Rock Bottom like it was a Piledriver to a concrete floor...</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Took the words right out of my mouth! <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Whether there were politics involved with how the Hogan/Perfect feud went down or not, that doesn't change the fact that as a kid, I actually thought Mr. Perfect was a legitimate threat to Hulk Hogan because of his unbeaten record, and because of the number he did on him when he interfered in Hogan's match against Lanny "The Genius" Poffo on Saturday Night's Main Event, and Hogan certainly did his part, showing the emotions of a man who knew that his reign as WWF Champion just might be in jeopardy. IIRC, I think that even the first several house show meetings between Hogan and Perfect had Perfect winning either by DQ or count out, where he got the win but not the title, so that fans would come back the next time to see them settle the feud. I know it was a pretty regular practice for Hogan to lose by DQ or count out the first go round on the house show circuit with guys he was working programs with, but I think it meant even more given the storyline with Perfect, along with the Mr. Perfect gimmick.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="RayW" data-cite="RayW" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I've always loved the way Hogan sells. It's the face. Hogan can go over anyone but still make his opponent feel like a real threat in the match, even with "Hulking Up". His face, those wide eyes, that "oh crap what am I doing here?" look. Priceless.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Ditto!</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delv213 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 <p>To me, Orton's been a lame duck champion since Batista turned heel. The fact that Orton draws no reaction what so ever and usually has to milk a response by doing his idiotic "can't hear you!" taunt is hilarious and depressing at the same time. Despite a clean victory over Cena, the crowd has not given two shits about a single Orton match since his Bryan feud ended and that should be a clear factor in not giving him another main event push for a long time.</p><p> </p><p> Hopefully Bryan will get an adequate feud post Mania with Batista, and doesn't just get fed to him before Cena comes to "save the day". Predicting Summerslam 2014 Cena vs Batista match.</p><p> </p><p> Regardless if Bryan fails to win the WWE title at Mania, a victory over Triple H after 6 months of him obviously trying to bury the guy or "testing the guy" as they would say. It'll be nice to see the crowd explode when Trips taps out. The match could very well end up stealing the show aswell.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Article on WWE.com about Sara Del Rey. http://www.wwe.com/inside/how-sara-amato-is-changing-divas-division-26194085 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn michaels Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 <p>Can anyone help me please?</p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://media.heavy.com/media/2013/04/daQsj.gif" rel="external nofollow">http://media.heavy.com/media/2013/04/daQsj.gif</a></p><p> </p><p> Does anyone know a link for the original promo of this gif?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delv213 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s138/delvecchio213/VinceNetworth_zps0d4d5fe8.jpg http://www.davemanuel.com/net-worth/vince-mcmahon/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaMegaFish Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="delv213" data-cite="delv213" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><a href="http://s151.photobucket.com/user/delvecchio213/media/VinceNetworth_zps0d4d5fe8.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow"><span>http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s138/delvecchio213/VinceNetworth_zps0d4d5fe8.jpg</span></a><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.davemanuel.com/net-worth/vince-mcmahon/" rel="external nofollow">http://www.davemanuel.com/net-worth/vince-mcmahon/</a></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> My favorite part about that is in the Also Known As section they list Genetic Jackhammer. Nice.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 <p><span>http://cdn2.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/323263/436481_lg_zpsc308440d.jpg</span></p><p> </p><p> <strong>Top Merchandise Movers</strong></p><p> </p><p> Arena Merchandise Sales:</p><p> </p><p> 1. John Cena</p><p> 2. Daniel Bryan</p><p> 3. CM Punk</p><p> 4. Batista</p><p> 5. Sheamus</p><p> 6. Hulk Hogan</p><p> 7. Randy Orton</p><p> 8. Brock Lesnar</p><p> </p><p> WWEShop.com:</p><p> </p><p> 1. John Cena</p><p> 2. CM Punk</p><p> 3. Daniel Bryan</p><p> 4. Hulk Hogan</p><p> 5. The Shield</p><p> 6. Steve Austin</p><p> 7. Brock Lesnar</p><p> 8. Undertaker</p><p> 9. Randy Orton</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpoolez Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s138/delvecchio213/VinceNetworth_zps0d4d5fe8.jpg http://www.davemanuel.com/net-worth/vince-mcmahon/ So much for the "hes a millionaire who couldve been a billionaire" line. Didnt expect him to still be a billionaire with the decline in ratings since 2001. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 WWE's stock has basically tripled since 2012 which turned him back into a billionaire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 <p><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">NXT Review:</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong>Paige vs Sasha</strong> - Good match. The Scorpion Cross-Lock is one of the best finishers in all of WWE. Charlotte beat Paige down after the match until Natalya appeared.</p><p> <strong>The Ascension vs Tyler & Bishop</strong> - Good experience for the new guys.</p><p> <strong>Ryan vs Blake</strong> - They should put Mason Ryan in a tag team with a mouthpiece instead of wasting him.</p><p> <strong>Bayley, Sasha, Charlotte & Natalya</strong> - Fun backstage segment where they took potshots at Bret Hart and Ric Flair.</p><p> <strong>Woods vs Rusev</strong> - Breeze attacked Woods before the match started. I like Woods but his mediocre main roster debut has already fizzled out.</p><p> <strong>Big Cass vs Dallas</strong> - Good match. A bit slow but they told a story with Cass looking strong early on with Dallas spending half the match out of the ring like a coward before taking control. Bo got his momemtum back and Cass proved he could main event NXT.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>Verdict:</strong> Good show. MVP: Colin Cassidy. He's got huge potential and he's learning fast.</p><p> </p><p> <span>http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/841326095.jpg</span></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 <p><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">NXT Review:</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong>Paige vs Sasha</strong> - Good match. The Scorpion Cross-Lock is one of the best finishers in all of WWE. Charlotte beat Paige down after the match until Natalya appeared.</p><p> <strong>The Ascension vs Tyler & Bishop</strong> - Good experience for the new guys.</p><p> <strong>Ryan vs Blake</strong> - They should put Mason Ryan in a tag team with a mouthpiece instead of wasting him.</p><p> <strong>Bayley, Sasha, Charlotte & Natalya</strong> - Fun backstage segment where they took potshots at Bret Hart and Ric Flair.</p><p> <strong>Woods vs Rusev</strong> - Breeze attacked Woods before the match started. I like Woods but his mediocre main roster debut has already fizzled out.</p><p> <strong>Big Cass vs Dallas</strong> - Good match. A bit slow but they told a story with Cass looking strong early on with Dallas spending half the match out of the ring like a coward before taking control. Bo got his momemtum back and Cass proved he could main event NXT.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>Verdict:</strong> Good show. MVP: Colin Cassidy. He's got huge potential and he's learning fast.</p><p> </p><p> <span>http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/841326095.jpg</span></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>WWE's stock has basically tripled since 2012 which turned him back into a billionaire</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> What's really done it is the WWE Network. Ever since the announcement their stock has gone through the roof.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1234 Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What's really done it is the WWE Network. Ever since the announcement their stock has gone through the roof.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> While the network has probably helped, I think the biggest factor is the TV negotiations. No idea what the current expectations are, but in the past I have heard they were expecting to double (or more) their domestic TV rights.</p><p> </p><p> I am curious to see what happens to the stock price when something gets announced about their TV future.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 <p>"I will bury Daniel Bryan" lol.</p><p> </p><p> Triple H is hilarious.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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