The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[Fantabulous]

I should be be shocked but I'm not...

 

Cena's big merchandise numbers are due to his young fanbase. Turning the hero of kids, whilst he is still hot, has rarely if ever turned out to be a good move because the kids turn on the hero and if that happens with Cena, well, apparently you do need to be a rocket scientist to realize that when you alienate the fanbase that moves your numbers, those numbers are taking a hit.

[milamber]

Enjoyed Ziggler v Sin Cara and Ziggler won for a change. Mason Ryan's looking like a beast, just hope they don't kill his momentum like they did with Riley.

 

Stopped watching NXT a long time ago but it's cool to see Bateman on SD. Shame Johnny Curtis got shafted because he was good on NXT as a face.

 

Kofi v Hunico was match of the night. Hunico and Epico have already made the tag division more interesting and they're impressive in singles matches, too.

 

I actually enjoyed the Divas match. AJ and Kaitlyn are hot so I'd even watch them in a silly angle. And Natalya's sharpshooter looked extra painful.

 

The "throw all the main eventers in together before the PPV" tag match was better than the usual fare. Orton still gets the biggest crowd pop but Sheamus is quickly catching up.

[Jaysin]

I watched Raw for the first time in forever this week and if they shove Twitter down our throats like that on every WWE program then it doesn't matter how good the product gets, I won't be watching. That was the most annoying thing WWE has done since shoving Cole down our throats. I propose a new drinking game, every time WWE brings up twitter we take a drink! Only issue is we'd be wasted in the first 20 minutes.

 

I don't care what's trending and honestly, it killed the Rock's promo for me.

 

Cena's facial expressions during the "This is Your Life" segment were priceless. Rock coming out to Rock Bottom Foley and then leave made me legitimately laugh out loud.

 

I liked that Truth and Miz got a little mic time in before getting their asses handed to them. I found myself sympathizing with them after enduring the Rock and Cena show all night.

 

Also, Hunico needs new attire. I get that he's dressing like a cholo, but he comes across like LAX's jobber cousin. Does Epico dress the same?

 

Kofi and Sin Cara vs Hunico and Cody Rhodes was pretty good though.

 

I suppose I'll give Smackdown a shot since I'm going to a friend's to watch Survivor Series tomorrow.

[BurningHamster]

I watched Raw for the first time in forever this week and if they shove Twitter down our throats like that on every WWE program then it doesn't matter how good the product gets, I won't be watching.

 

They do, WWE has a boner for twitter like you would not believe. As someone who doesn't use twitter, I find it tedious too.

 

Also I've come to the conclusion that I really dislike The Rock these days. Nothing he does is of the slightest interest to me.

[Slagaholic]

Just wait until they put a twitter ticker on the screen during the Divas matches.

 

It's coming.

[BurningHamster]

Just wait until they put a twitter ticker on the screen during the Divas matches.

 

It's coming.

 

It is now that you gave them the idea. I really want a CM Punk anti-twitter tirade, not his babyface stuff ... his vicious heel ranting.

[ZMAN]

I should be be shocked but I'm not...

 

Cena's big merchandise numbers are due to his young fanbase. Turning the hero of kids, whilst he is still hot, has rarely if ever turned out to be a good move because the kids turn on the hero and if that happens with Cena, well, apparently you do need to be a rocket scientist to realize that when you alienate the fanbase that moves your numbers, those numbers are taking a hit.

 

Hulk turned on us kids back in the 90's, and we still bought his nWo t-shirts. I guess I felt alienated, but I was still tuned in the next night. But I get it, turn Cena heel and WWE loses all its moneyz.

[ubernoob]

Hulk turned on us kids back in the 90's, and we still bought his nWo t-shirts. I guess I felt alienated, but I was still tuned in the next night. But I get it, turn Cena heel and WWE loses all its moneyz.

 

This wasnt a prime-of-his-career Hulk Hogan though.

[Fantabulous]

This wasnt a prime-of-his-career Hulk Hogan though.

 

Exactly. Hogan was no longer an idol to children when he turned and, in fact, his merchandise wasn't selling very well at the time. Cena is still an idol to the kiddies and his merchandise is still selling well. Major swing-and-a-miss from ZMAN.

[sebsy]

In part in response to eayragt's post further up the page, I have been wondering what could possibly happen with Daniel Bryan.

 

Wondered if he might come out and try to cash in after the Henry/Show match after Henry retains one way or another. He loses and that's it until the following Smackdown when he takes out Big Show with a chair, blaming Big Show for him being the first to fail to cash in. Say that he was going to wait until Mania but after Big Show handed him the briefcase a few weeks ago he has been thinking of nothing but cashing in and now he has lost the briefcase it is all Show's fault. Henry can move on to Kane? whilst Bryan has a feud with Big Show maybe.

 

Also wondering if we'll get a Kevin Nash/HHH segment at SurSer. Only 6 matches on the card, and the last time we only had 6 matches at SurSer, 3 of those were 5v5 matches.

 

Need something else to fill up some time as the Divas match won't last too long, and Henry vs Show won't last long in terms of title match length.

[ChrisKid]

I actually disliked Rock's promo because there was this and that "trending worldwide" WWE needs to realise telling us every 5 minutes what's trending on twitter dosen't boost there tv shows it makes them annoying and plus if I cared what was "trending worldwide" i would go on twitter and find out

[Jaysin]

I ended up going to a Carina and Adema show(guest list!) instead of watching Survivor Series. Kinda shocked no ones talking about it...

[FINisher]

A great Survivor Series thanks to the MSG crowd. Really good PPV, main event is on for 15min or so. Some great spots like the Divas match top rope spot and also Big Show's top rope elbow drop among few.

[sabataged]

finish off peoples elbow?

[FINisher]

Rock wins with People's elbow on the Miz. Kinda lackluster ending. Post-match turnbuckle taunt pops for Rock, Cena got boo'd all night. Rock Bottom to Cena at the end, Rock celebrates in ring as the PPV ends.

 

Really liked the crowd on this one. Punk vs. Del Rio was good and other matches weren't at all bad either.

[DaMegaFish]

Ooh hey look, I'm popping back in again. Just saw the end of the PPV, and I've got to say, although I know its not going to happen, I'd would've gone nuts for a Cena heel turn to end the show. I know Cena is supposed to be the tough as nails, crowd never gets him down guy, but I would have loved to see that be what turned him. Watching him tonight, he knew he was hated, but even after the match the crowd still just dumped all over him.

 

Really, any time in the feud he could have the easy turn by saying the old, "All I've ever done is try to give you the best show each and every night, and yet you cheer the guy who left you high and dry." Idk, to me that'd make sense and it'd be a subtle but still obvious change of direction for him where he just starts looking out more for himself and cuts a lot of the antics in his matches and whatnot.

[bigtplaystew]

great crowd, great show. I dug every single match. Thats right, I'm looking right at you, Eve Torres and Beth Phoenix. Great card from top to bottom.

 

Boots...to...asses.

[ZMAN]

Ooh hey look, I'm popping back in again. Just saw the end of the PPV, and I've got to say, although I know its not going to happen, I'd would've gone nuts for a Cena heel turn to end the show. I know Cena is supposed to be the tough as nails, crowd never gets him down guy, but I would have loved to see that be what turned him. Watching him tonight, he knew he was hated, but even after the match the crowd still just dumped all over him.

 

Really, any time in the feud he could have the easy turn by saying the old, "All I've ever done is try to give you the best show each and every night, and yet you cheer the guy who left you high and dry." Idk, to me that'd make sense and it'd be a subtle but still obvious change of direction for him where he just starts looking out more for himself and cuts a lot of the antics in his matches and whatnot.

 

Yeah, Cena running around as a face makes him look like such a bitch in these types of situations. It makes no sense why he can't be a heel, at least for this feud against The Rock.

[FINisher]

I think that how once Vince said that he sometimes makes plans and decisions that don't make sense in the short run but in the longer run people understand his decisions etc.. I think they might actually, finally, be turning Cena heel at Mania / post-Mania. Cena isn't really going anywhere anymore and whatever momentum he might get as a face always ends up stalling quite quickly because of the hostile crowd in some venues. The building up is just 100% for it. C'mon, The Rock's hometown at Wrestlemania and the focus on their feud has been on the crowd reaction the whole time.

[bigtplaystew]

<p>What is a heel? Someone who gets booed? Someone who puts ovr babyfaces?</p><p> </p><p>

Isn't Cena getting booed? Didn't Cena (at least help) put over CM Punk? Is the old idea of what a heel is dead and done and they are just going into this years mania as is?</p><p> </p><p>

Who knows?</p>

[nucleardonkey]

<p>Honestly I loved Survivor Series but WWE really dropped the ball on 3 major points where they had the moment, momentum, and crowd response to finally solidify 2 new stars and reinvent 1 and they failed to do anything with any of them.</p><p> </p><p>

The crowd was hot all night for Zack Ryder and were literally begging for WWE to finally pull the trigger and push him but instead of doing so and either throwing in an impromptu match with Dolph for the US title or sending him out to replace Sin Cara following his injury they really did nothing with him aside from his "look I'm really here" moment where he came out really just to appease the crowd.</p><p> </p><p>

Then when Big Show took out Mark Henry the crowd immediately started begging for Daniel Bryan to run in and cash in and they had the perfect chance. Henry's down with an injury, Bryan runs in, hooks in a heel hook, Henry has no choice but to tap, the crowd goes insane, and Bryan looks like a monster slayer being the first person to ever make Mark Henry tap out. Then they could even build it with Henry complaining about already being injured, make Bryan look weak for pouncing, then at TLC in the rematch Bryan makes Henry tap again. Right there 2 months and 2 matches and WWE has a new legit main event star with little to no real build up but 2 incredible feats that he can ride on for months while he's built up officially.</p><p> </p><p>

Then through the entire main event the crowd was begging for a Cena turn and honestly based on Cena's reaction to their reaction to him it actually looked like it was going to happen. Cena for the first time actually looked like the crowd was getting to him during the final show down with The Rock before the Rock Bottom. Cena was teasing it, The Rock was egging it on, and the crowd was perfect to react to it. If Cena had just hit the AA as Rock got down off the ropes then posed over an unconscious Rock not only would he immediately be the top heel but he'd actually be relevant again for the first time in years.</p><p> </p><p>

On a side note....I'm begging Cena to please stop trying to throw a drop kick. I swear he has the worst drop kicks I have ever seen and it does nothing to help his case when he's trying to prove he can wrestle then he throws a drop kick that's about as good as a Rebecca Black song.</p><p> </p><p>

Overall it was a good PPV but it didn't have that MSG feel of being something truly special. It needed that one WOW moment and being the 20th anniversary of Taker's debut, the chance to give a possible future super star his first major title reign, the perfect crowd to make the top face into the top heel they had the perfect crowd to make any of those 3 moments (Taker's return, Dragon's first world title, or Cena's heel turn) into that WOW moment that makes MSG shows so special.</p>

[1234]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="nucleardonkey" data-cite="nucleardonkey" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> and Bryan looks like a monster slayer being the first person to ever make Mark Henry tap out.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Were the commentators saying that Henry has never tapped, or is that something you just added? Because:</p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6UlQ1E-yJ4" rel="external nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6UlQ1E-yJ4</a></p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiuWOvusSUs&feature=related" rel="external nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiuWOvusSUs&feature=related</a></p><p> </p><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="150" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/OEUli5XGbWE?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="John Cena STFU on Mark Henry"></iframe></div></div><p> </p><p> And I am sure there are more.</p>

[Self]

Not a WWE fan any more, but was invited to see the show at a bar, which sounded like a hoot. The Rock was awesome. Just amazing. Those arm drags. Also a big fan of Cena's facial expressions throughout the match. He knows his part, and he's going with it. Fun monkey flip too.

[milamber]

<p>Morrison v Ziggler - These guys work really well together. Perfect opening match.</p><p> </p><p>

Eve v Beth - Top rope glam slam! The Divas matches have actually been watchable lately.</p><p> </p><p>

Team Barrett v Team Orton - Sin Cara's rocky start in the WWE continues. Not a huge fan of 5v5 matches but this one had enough action and twists to satisfy me. Sheamus going nuts on Swagger was weird but interesting. Good to see the heel team win with Rhodes and Barrett besting Orton.</p><p> </p><p>

Big Show v Henry - Again they put on a fun match. Didn't see that ending coming.</p><p> </p><p>

Del Rio v Punk - Great open match. Both guys were booked strong, especially Punk surviving the cross armbreaker and winning with the anaconda vice instead of the usual GTS. Love the crowd diving!</p><p> </p><p>

Awesome Truth v Rock/Cena - The first few minutes of the match were epic with Rock kicking ass and the priceless reactions of Miz, Truth and Cena. All 4 of them played their characters to perfection the entire match and the crowd was hot. Not only did it live up to the hype but it the best WWE tag match I've seen in recent memory. Sure, an Awesome Truth win would have been better but I can't say I didn't enjoy Rock winning the match.</p><p> </p><p>

One of my top 3 PPVs of the year. Solid all the way through with 2 good main events.</p>

[Nathers7]

<p>Great PPV, think that proves that a Cena heel turn will never happen though. I actually was expecting it when Rock kept taunting him but yeah I guess Vince doesn't have the balls do it. Cena desperately needs a character change in someway though, his younger fans will flock to Rock if they see Rock perform like that again.</p><p> </p><p>

Punk champion again <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />, hope he gets a decent reign. Barrett and Rhodes looked great aswell. Loved the boring chants during the Mark Henry - Big Show match lol. Feel bad for them though, they must have felt like crap hearing that.</p>