The Official TNA / Impact / GFW Discussion Thread

[Gabbo]

<p>Thought he could do better in the WWE. Had a real ego, constantly pushed for AMW to split up so he could be the break-out star, considered himself main event material in the making. Moving to the WWE was his chance.</p><p> </p><p>

Laughable in hindsight.</p>

[juggaloninjalee]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Gabbo" data-cite="Gabbo" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Thought he could do better in the WWE. Had a real ego, constantly pushed for AMW to split up so he could be the break-out star, considered himself main event material in the making. Moving to the WWE was his chance.<p> </p><p> Laughable in hindsight.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Harris has the talent but lacks the it factor. He is a little generic to be a main eventer on the WWE level I feel.</p>

[Gabbo]

Didn't help that he couldn't be bothered to stay in shape and the WWE forced him to wear a goofy singlet to hide his flab.

[Eisen-verse]

Great promo from Robert Roode to open iMPACT. Honestly, this guy, if booked right, could be a star for TNA.

[angeldelayette]

Mmmmm...Velvet Sky in a towel...*Drools*

[Eisen-verse]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="angeldelayette" data-cite="angeldelayette" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Mmmmm...Velvet Sky in a towel...*Drools*</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I forgot what website I was on and, for a brief second, looked to 'like' this... </p><p> </p><p> <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">EDIT:</span></strong> Wait a minute. Why did Eric Bischoff and Hogan seem pissed about those two guys fighting for their spot in Immortal; as if the network booked it? In case I was sleeping at the time, hazy and what not, didn't Bischoff book that match with the same conditions right before it started?</p>

[Russo]

Crimson is the future of TNA. This feud with Joe is going to put his career in a new gear. I hope they have his streak go on for a long time.

[angeldelayette]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Eisen-verse" data-cite="Eisen-verse" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I forgot what website I was on and, for a brief second, looked to 'like' this... <p> </p><p> <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">EDIT:</span></strong> Wait a minute. Why did Eric Bischoff and Hogan seem pissed about those two guys fighting for their spot in Immortal; as if the network booked it? In case I was sleeping at the time, hazy and what not, didn't Bischoff book that match with the same conditions right before it started?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> My guess is that he just did it to shut them up. My take is that they didn't think that either of them was worthy of a spot in Immortal.</p>

[GatorBait19]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Eisen-verse" data-cite="Eisen-verse" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Great promo from Robert Roode to open iMPACT. Honestly, this guy, if booked right, could be a star for TNA.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I have been waiting for this. I really thought when they hyped him to the moon a couple years ago it was going to happen, then they stuck him and James Storm together (another wrestler I love)</p>

[Eisen-verse]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="GatorBait19" data-cite="GatorBait19" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I have been waiting for this. I really thought when they hyped him to the moon a couple years ago it was going to happen, then they stuck him and James Storm together (another wrestler I love)</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The promo was golden in my eyes; a great way to sell Bobby Rude as a blue-collar worker feeling he's being held down by manipulative men (Hogan and Bischoff). If booked right, and given proper ability to talk, I honestly see a lot of promise in the guy. Out of ALL the guys in Fortune, AJ Styles included, I foresee Rude has having the highest ceiling. I know that may annoy some, as AJ is the 'prodigal son', but Rude is a strong wrestler who can bring something more on the mic (where AJ fails slightly).</p>

[juggaloninjalee]

<p>Honestly TNA has a lot of unique talent that in themselves give TNA a different feel. James Storm, Bobby Roode, AJ Styles, Petey Williams, Sting, Samoa Joe, and Crimson. None of those guys really seem like WWE guys.</p><p> </p><p>

In the 90s WWE had characters that were unique to them while WCW had a completely different style.</p><p> </p><p>

Now if TNA can try to find their own style instead of trying to be like WWE 1998 they may be on to something.</p>

[crownsy]

So i broke my streak of not watching TNA for the last 3 months last night, and boy, did it not convince me to do otherwise.

 

So, Winter is a time traveler or something? and If she gets Angelina high enough she'll get a perma buzz? and why on earth would that make you turn on your friend as velvet? shouldn't she be like, concerned that her friend is being brainwashed instead?

 

And the come back to the midcarders by bischoff is "your to short"? what are you, vince in 1998?

 

I tried, i really did, but i turned it off after about half an hour. garbage.

[TheOmniWarrior]

Matt Hardy just tweeted that Shane Helms has apparently been in a motorcycle accident with his girlfriend.

[jhd1]

EDIT: Wait a minute. Why did Eric Bischoff and Hogan seem pissed about those two guys fighting for their spot in Immortal; as if the network booked it? In case I was sleeping at the time, hazy and what not, didn't Bischoff book that match with the same conditions right before it started?

 

I thought it was EB and HH's frustration at their desperation to be in Immortal, the fact they are willing to fight each other for it, and because it turns out they are both useless too.

 

Like Crownsy I decided to watch Impact this week after a long hiatus, although I did enjoy it - I'll watch again next week for sure. I think TNA have a good roster, they just need to make sure they use it properly. Daniels and Styles together are fantastic, Crimson looks like a beast (although being Amazing Red's brother is a bit daft), and Bobby Roode! I'd like to see Bobby get a bit of a push, preferably not with a month of feuding with James Storm beforehand. Tag teams can break up amicably you know! I think Velvet Sky is coming on leaps and bounds as well, but this Winter-Angelina thing is a bit...strange. Considering that the vast majority of storylines they are running at the moment are based in reality (Jay Lethal was mentioned more in this episode than he normally is in a month!), Angelina's zombification seems really out of place. Still, you can't expect miracles

[angeldelayette]

So, Winter is a time traveler or something? and If she gets Angelina high enough she'll get a perma buzz? and why on earth would that make you turn on your friend as velvet? shouldn't she be like, concerned that her friend is being brainwashed instead?

 

I think Velvet Sky is coming on leaps and bounds as well, but this Winter-Angelina thing is a bit...strange. Considering that the vast majority of storylines they are running at the moment are based in reality (Jay Lethal was mentioned more in this episode than he normally is in a month!), Angelina's zombification seems really out of place. Still, you can't expect miracles

 

I'll let you guys in on the feud since you haven't been watching in awhile. When Winter first arrived on the scene, she appeared wherever Angelina was and it appeared that she was obsessed with her. Velvet Sky took exception to this because it seemed like Winter was trying to worm her way in to her place in the Beautiful People. When the finals of the Knockout tag team title tournament came, Velvet was attacked backstage and Winter came out during the match and took her place. Winter and Angelina won the TNA Knockout tag team titles.

 

A war of words broke out between Winter and Velvet nearly every week and sometimes it would come to fighting between the two with Angelina caught in the middle. In recent weeks, it has been shown that Winter has been giving some kind of drug to Angelina in a liquid form. We don't know what the drug is but apparently it makes her subserviant to Winter and gives her that dazed/zombified look.

 

At the behest of Winter, Angelina has attacked Velvet Sky several times and seems at times impervious to pain. So that gives the reason why Velvet Sky has grown angry as she didn't turn on Angelina but Angelina turned on her.

[cappyboy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="angeldelayette" data-cite="angeldelayette" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'll let you guys in on the feud since you haven't been watching in awhile. When Winter first arrived on the scene, she appeared wherever Angelina was and it appeared that she was obsessed with her. Velvet Sky took exception to this because it seemed like Winter was trying to worm her way in to her place in the Beautiful People. When the finals of the Knockout tag team title tournament came, Velvet was attacked backstage and Winter came out during the match and took her place. Winter and Angelina won the TNA Knockout tag team titles.<p> </p><p> A war of words broke out between Winter and Velvet nearly every week and sometimes it would come to fighting between the two with Angelina caught in the middle. In recent weeks, it has been shown that Winter has been giving some kind of drug to Angelina in a liquid form. We don't know what the drug is but apparently it makes her subserviant to Winter and gives her that dazed/zombified look.</p><p> </p><p> At the behest of Winter, Angelina has attacked Velvet Sky several times and seems at times impervious to pain. So that gives the reason why Velvet Sky has grown angry as she didn't turn on Angelina but Angelina turned on her.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Reading through this a thought occurs to me. Do the recent developments remind anybody else of the syringe storyline from DOTT?</p>

[crownsy]

I'll let you guys in on the feud since you haven't been watching in awhile. When Winter first arrived on the scene, she appeared wherever Angelina was and it appeared that she was obsessed with her. Velvet Sky took exception to this because it seemed like Winter was trying to worm her way in to her place in the Beautiful People. When the finals of the Knockout tag team title tournament came, Velvet was attacked backstage and Winter came out during the match and took her place. Winter and Angelina won the TNA Knockout tag team titles.

 

A war of words broke out between Winter and Velvet nearly every week and sometimes it would come to fighting between the two with Angelina caught in the middle. In recent weeks, it has been shown that Winter has been giving some kind of drug to Angelina in a liquid form. We don't know what the drug is but apparently it makes her subserviant to Winter and gives her that dazed/zombified look.

 

At the behest of Winter, Angelina has attacked Velvet Sky several times and seems at times impervious to pain. So that gives the reason why Velvet Sky has grown angry as she didn't turn on Angelina but Angelina turned on her.

 

Yea, i mean i got that, i read the show write ups on torch

 

but this week they implied that Winter and Angelina are "forever linked" in time and the Winter has finally "found her" implying shes some sort of time traveling puppet master.

 

And again, considering half the show is hogan scraming about how stupid anything but a "shoot" story is and how TNA "won't do that crap up north brotha" What exactly is TNA's product?

 

It seems like it changes by quarter hour segment. In the half hour I watched we went from "Your holding us down" insider shoot promo to a zombie girl whos hooked on crack by a time traveler being treated as normal.

 

That's my problem with TNA, they have the roster, but their creative department is awful and can't decide what to do with it.

[jhd1]

but this week they implied that Winter and Angelina are "forever linked" in time and the Winter has finally "found her" implying shes some sort of time traveling puppet master.

 

I would imagine it's to do with past lives (i.e. reincarnation) rather than time travel. Not much better, admittedly, but still...

[cappyboy]

I would imagine it's to do with past lives (i.e. reincarnation) rather than time travel. Not much better, admittedly, but still...

 

Right. But with the past lives thing, there would be ways to make it more realistic and believable. Granted it's still kind of "out there". But tightening the rules would make it less woo-woo and Wrestlecrap worthy.

 

Like for instance, Angelina and Velvet have been BFF's for pretty much the whole time The Beautiful People have existed. And even when the relationship was strained by the Lacey Von Erich substitution, they patched things up and got back to their old bond. It makes much more sense that Angelina and Velvet would have a tight past life bond than Angelina and Winter. Maybe Angelina and Velvet are so like sisters because they've tended to BE sisters over their lifetimes.

 

This is not the arena to be getting into further-flung but widely held ideas about reincarnation like the soul being genderless. Although I could understand touching on that to tittilate fans with the mental image of Angelina and Velvet having been lovers in some past life. And in that case, I'd cast Angelina as the one who'd been the man because Velvet is more widely lusted after.

 

Unless you're TRYING for Wrestlecrap, this is something to keep as simple as possible. A significant chunk of the crowd is going to be resistant to the notion because it is so "unrealistic". So you have to break through that, you have to make it feel as realistic and reasonable as possible. And being all mystical or cleaving too closely to what's really believed about it will only confuse the uninitiated and annoy the resistant. People aren't going to enjoy this type of story unless they get it or at least WANT to get it. The way to ensure that happens is to keep it simple. Plain and simple.

[liontamer]

not sure I would have even recognized chyna if they had tried to pass her as someone else.

 

Also wondering why they didn't pick a newer face to be the network exec. This was ok, but I would have rather he was in the corner of the exc than actually be the exec. This just seems like they hit replay.

[BHK1978]

not sure I would have even recognized chyna if they had tried to pass her as someone else.

 

Also wondering why they didn't pick a newer face to be the network exec. This was ok, but I would have rather he was in the corner of the exc than actually be the exec. This just seems like they hit replay.

 

In regards to Mick, I think it was more of who they could get for the role.

[ZMAN]

<p>I kind of have the same feeling about Mick. It's like they just followed the criteria of: 1. whos not doing anything 2. who dont we have anything for 3. whos face is recognizable. Really, not that impressive as far as creativity goes, but I guess it's not the most offensive thing seen on a wrestling tv show. It's just kind of there, I don't see what there is to pop about. It's just Foley poking his fat head in like he does every 1-2 years. </p><p> </p><p>

I would have gone with someone new, but that's just me. I really dig WWE's youth movement (even if there are a lot of flaws in the system), and I think TNA could benefit from taking on something like that. Take someone unknown with some decent mic skills, give them a personality that sticks out, and let them go to work. Kind of like how WWE did with Armando Estrada or Abraham Washington. Neither were that good, but I'll take it over Foley version 230843048732.</p><p> </p><p>

But w/e I guess two personalities showing up from the attitude era "works." That's what I hate about TNA, is that they go with what <em>just</em> works. Never taking a risk or going at something from a different angle.</p>

[jhd1]

<p>So, I haven't had chance to watch impact yet but I have read the spoilers and been on their website. Has the entire company been rebranded, or just the TV show? I'm assuming that for the time being its just iMPACT but everything I've read seems a bit contradictory.</p><p> </p><p>

Either way, as I said a couple of pages back, I think that playing up 'wrestling' begins to set them apart from the WWE in terms of identity. They just need to remember to include some wrestling on their shows as well <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[ZMAN]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jhd1" data-cite="jhd1" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So, I haven't had chance to watch impact yet but I have read the spoilers and been on their website. Has the entire company been rebranded, or just the TV show? I'm assuming that for the time being its just iMPACT but everything I've read seems a bit contradictory.<p> </p><p> Either way, as I said a couple of pages back, I think that playing up 'wrestling' begins to set them apart from the WWE in terms of identity. They just need to remember to include some wrestling on their shows as well <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Just the tv show. tnawrestling.com has the new logo and color scheme, but still has the TNA logo hanging around. I don't get it, part of me thinks the whole thing is just another way to take a shot at WWE for their recent bans on the "wrestling" terminology. For me it's gonna take more than Foley and Chyna showing up and some pot shots. I would have rather seen them actually make the big changes without them actually saying it. When the WWF went through changes in 97/98, Vince didn't just come out and say "were overhauling everything!" They changed up their product over time and let the fans decide what it was.</p><p> </p><p> New logo and colors look ok, I guess. Preferred the red and black.</p>

[jhd1]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ZMAN" data-cite="ZMAN" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Just the tv show. tnawrestling.com has the new logo and color scheme, but still has the TNA logo hanging around. I don't get it, part of me thinks the whole thing is just another way to take a shot at WWE for their recent bans on the "wrestling" terminology.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's what I thought, but I keep seeing comments like this...</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><strong>Kurt Angle on name change to Impact Wrestling' date=' and if "TNA" is gone:[/b'] “Gone, yeah. Impact Wrestling is the new name of the company. I personally believe in it because when it comes down to it, you can’t take the word wrestling out of pro wrestling. Any storyline, or any feud...when you do that, it’s entertainment and you’re doing the storylines, but where does it ultimately end up? In the wrestling ring. At the PPV, the payoff. So how can you take wrestling out of pro wrestling….you can’t. That’s what they (the fans) buy tickets for. They buy tickets to watch guys wrestle. Not to be actors and entertain us. They pay to watch great wrestling."</strong></div></blockquote><p><strong> </strong></p><p><strong> From an article on </strong><a href="http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/kurt-angle-on-tnas-name-change-chynas-debut-hogan-129783" rel="external nofollow"><strong>wrestlezone.com</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p><p><strong> </strong></p><p><strong> As I said earlier, I think a re-brand could be a good thing for TNA, but only if they do it properly. Like, by making it obvious if they are rebranding the entire company or not </strong><img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>