Blackman Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rickymex" data-cite="Rickymex" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It's lonely at the top.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Well, that is exactly what I mean. He's not gotten any competition and knows he's probably not gonna get it so he's decided he wants something different (money, for one <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />).</p><p> </p><p> Still, that doesn't explain why he did not want to fight GSP.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingo Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ProphetX" data-cite="ProphetX" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>is anyone going to watch Invicta this Saturday?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Me... Watched all of them so far.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Well, that is exactly what I mean. He's not gotten any competition and knows he's probably not gonna get it so he's decided he wants something different (money, for one <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />).<p> </p><p> Still, that doesn't explain why he did not want to fight GSP.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm assuming that both of them see each other as kings in their divisions and neither of them would want to conquer a division they will not defend. However now that Silva isn't the man on the "throne" he can move more freely while he lets the other guys fight around for the title. Maybe he'ss take on GSP or maybe risk a loss against Jon Jones w can only wait and see.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Active Jerichoholic Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 I'm assuming that both of them see each other as kings in their divisions and neither of them would want to conquer a division they will not defend. However now that Silva isn't the man on the "throne" he can move more freely while he lets the other guys fight around for the title. Maybe he'ss take on GSP or maybe risk a loss against Jon Jones w can only wait and see. Anderson's great and everything, but I'd be highly surprised if ANYONE moved up to fight Bones. The guy has the biggest unbeatable "aura" in MMA right now, and if Anderson had trouble with Chael and Weidman I don't see how he'd want to fight a bigger,longer,stronger more well rounded fighter than them. It'd be the most intriguing fight for Jones so far,so I do hope it happens...just don't see it happening is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted July 13, 2013 Author Share Posted July 13, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Active Jerichoholic" data-cite="Active Jerichoholic" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Anderson's great and everything, but I'd be highly surprised if ANYONE moved up to fight Bones. The guy has the biggest unbeatable "aura" in MMA right now, and if Anderson had trouble with Chael and Weidman I don't see how he'd want to fight a bigger,longer,stronger more well rounded fighter than them. It'd be the most intriguing fight for Jones so far,so I do hope it happens...just don't see it happening is all.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Aura...great until you get punched in the face. Remember when that massive underdog knocked out Anderson Silva that time? Actually, haven't two of the very few guys to really put it on Jones been middleweights? </p><p> </p><p> "He lost to him, so he'd lose to him" - MMA Math - It doesn't work mate, you've got to take each fight on it's merits. Anderson's trouble with Chael and Weidman doesn't mean he struggles against Jones.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Active Jerichoholic Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="brashleyholland" data-cite="brashleyholland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Aura...great until you get punched in the face. Remember when that massive underdog knocked out Anderson Silva that time? Actually, haven't two of the very few guys to really put it on Jones been middleweights? <p> </p><p> "He lost to him, so he'd lose to him" - MMA Math - It doesn't work mate, you've got to take each fight on it's merits. Anderson's trouble with Chael and Weidman doesn't mean he struggles against Jones.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I agree with everything you said, but I still believe they're factors. Machida was unstoppable when nobody thought he could be figured out,just like Anderson and just like Jones now. If you take a guys best shot and you're the "unstoppable force" and it doesn't look like it fazes you, tell me that doesn't make most guys lose confidence and freak out. Like I said, I hope it happens. I just don't see Silva going up to fight Jones, particularly before he'd agree to fight GSP. They'd be similar money-wise, and there's just more big fights GSP has been in where you can see where he's vulnerable IMO.</p><p> </p><p> Again, I get your point, and I'm not saying if they fought Jones would beat him 10 out of 10 times. In fact, hell I'd have it 5 out of 10 or 6 out of 10 at best and I think Jones is the best fighter in the world. All I meant was, he's Anderson freaking Silva. He could fight a scrub and get 200,000 PPV buys, so if he's lacking confidence or drive or whatever why not take a "safer" fight?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capelli King Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 Anderson Silva had weak points and it was shown in the Chael fights. Standing he is good. I would not put him in the category of world class K-1 level, but for MMA he is better than 95% of them. Against Jones i doubt he has any chance at all because Jones will use his range and size on the stand up and on the ground he will maul his ass. Against St Pierre Anderson could have some success though. Stand up he should be better and St Pierre lacks finishing power on the ground............at least i barely remember when the last time he finished someone on the Ground, it was maybe years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damonster Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 So, who do you blame for the horrible co-main fight, Jake or Rory? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoutureLegend Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 So, who do you blame for the horrible co-main fight, Jake or Rory? In no way could anyone put the blame on MacDonald, and it actually bothers me that some people are doing so! I thought Rory looked great to be honest. Maybe it's not what Dana White wants for the UFC, but i would prefer to watch one guy showcase excellent technical martial arts to win a fight rather than watch a Chris Leben type performance/fight. It may not have been the most "exciting" fight to watch, but the level of technique that Rory MacDonald displayed in the fight was fantastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 It's the same as with Boxing and Wrestling. Technique might look good and be impressive but it isn't exciting and doesn't make money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Active Jerichoholic Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 In no way could anyone put the blame on MacDonald, and it actually bothers me that some people are doing so! I thought Rory looked great to be honest. Maybe it's not what Dana White wants for the UFC, but i would prefer to watch one guy showcase excellent technical martial arts to win a fight rather than watch a Chris Leben type performance/fight. It may not have been the most "exciting" fight to watch, but the level of technique that Rory MacDonald displayed in the fight was fantastic. Exactly, Rory respected Jake's strength and found something that worked from start to finish. I enjoyed watching the fight, so I don't blame anyone. On another note, does anyone here see Korean Zombie beating Aldo? I'm excited to see the fight, but I just don't see him winning in any likely scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Any given Saturday, dude. I mean Aldo is the better fighter. Aldo is the more experienced fighter. Aldo is and should be the favorite. But Jung's been awesome ever since his KO lol. Seriously he's been ferocious. He's such a unique fighter too just so hard to match up against. You never know how a guy matches up quite to his style. While he probably won't, Aldo may have problems dealing with his offense. There's also the "Why Chris Leban wins fights" rule: Every now and then some dude is just tough enough to take your shots and will catch you with one of his own no matter how much better than him you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Active Jerichoholic" data-cite="Active Jerichoholic" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>so if he's lacking confidence or drive or whatever why not take a "safer" fight?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The 'safer' fight for him now is the one that pays him more. His rep is established, no matter how much he loses. People will still pay to see it.</p><p> </p><p> As for the boring fight, blame Ellenberger for hyping himself to the moon before the fight. He had no answer for the jab, no wonder he rode it to the final bell.</p><p> </p><p> Looking forward to Jones' fight. It feels like I haven't seen him in years. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoutureLegend Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rickymex" data-cite="Rickymex" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It's the same as with Boxing and Wrestling. Technique might look good and be impressive but it isn't exciting and doesn't make money.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I can see your point however some people think GSP is boring for whatever reason yet he is the biggest draw in MMA.</p><p> </p><p> Also did anyone watch Bellator? How can you be an MMA fan and not love Ben Askren? The guy is incredible. I love how he just mentally breaks his opponents in the middle of a fight. Maybe it's just my philosophy on how i believe the sport of MMA should look like, but i have no idea how anyone can find Askren boring.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Couture=Legend" data-cite="Couture=Legend" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I can see your point however some people think GSP is boring for whatever reason yet he is the biggest draw in MMA.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's just that he's so much of a brand that it doesn't matter how boring he is. He's easily one of the most renowned names in MMA and thatcancels out his negatives.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wshred13 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 <p>I found the Rory/Jake fight to be pretty dull. To me, it was the soccer equivalent of passing the ball around and keeping possession, but not really trying to score any goals. It is impressive in it's own right, but that doesn't really make it entertaining. Why not use that jab to combo up on Ellenberger and really threaten him? (Yes I know Jake's got dangerous power). Having said that, much more of the blame should be on Jake for not really even showing up with a plan A. </p><p> </p><p> Askren's growing on me a bit, but I still wouldn't choose to watch him over a lot of fighters. If his ground and pound had a little more power behind it or if his sub game was better he'd probably be one of my favorites. It's crazy how good he is at always staying a couple steps ahead in the scrambles.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffanka Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Active Jerichoholic" data-cite="Active Jerichoholic" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> On another note, does anyone here see Korean Zombie beating Aldo? I'm excited to see the fight, but I just don't see him winning in any likely scenario.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Zombie's a dude with a weird intangible combination of ubiquitous aggression, power, scramblyness and submission savvy to beat anyone but Aldo's violence levels are off the charts; he savages guys and he's capable of the pressure that never lets Zombie get a foot in the door.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphadraighon Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Active Jerichoholic" data-cite="Active Jerichoholic" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>On another note, does anyone here see Korean Zombie beating Aldo? I'm excited to see the fight, but I just don't see him winning in any likely scenario.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think he's got a better chance than most people seem to. There's a certain quality that he has, something intangible, that I imagine his hard to game plan for.</p><p> </p><p> I also think Aldo has gotten over confidant recently. Maybe I just don't like his attitude lately, but I think he's gotten a big head, and I think Zombie can knock that head clean off his shoulders.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Korean Zombie dislocated his shoulder on Aldo's skull. For realz, yo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 <p>It was nice to see Stann do the colour commentary. He did a great job imo. </p><p> </p><p> Machida was surprised he didn't win, but I kind of understand those judges. A takedown late in the round is more points then a normal one, especially if Machida did relatively little in the round: a couple of good shots each round, but that's it. That's the bad side of his passive striking strategy. It looks like he doesn't fully commit. Sure, he controlled it mostly, but that's worth little if you do get taken down eventually. Davis also had some success with the G&P. Give him 10-20 seconds more at the end of those rounds and no one would've been surprised with his win. This was indeed way closer. I expected a split dec. win for Machida.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 <p>Blackman you are the only man talking sense in the entire MMA internet universe right now lol. I'm reading so much "Machida obviously won that fight! Dana's paying off judges!" nonsense.</p><p> </p><p> The problem is judging itself. And Lyoto's style.</p><p> </p><p> Machida's style isn't impressing any judges. He kind of hangs back and waits for a mistake. So if his opponent even comes at him a little bit, it looks like Machida's opponent is the aggressor, and they award him the round if it's close enough. It's that simple. MMA judges use old boxing logic to still judge fights. Until that changes or until Machida decides to be more proactive it's going to happen to him again and again int hat division where guys are too good to leave hanging around like that.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 <p>It is indeed that simple. And that's always been the core of judging in sports: it needs to look good. In the end, it's all about perception. There's no device attached to the fighters that notifies them how hard they hit or how much damage has been done, whether they are tired or almost completely broken, etc. It all comes down to what they see from their front row seats. And they saw Davis get some good takedowns and landing punches. Machida was still quite comfortable off his back, but he took shots. More shots in a couple of seconds then he gave Davis while standing. He took initiative. Machida didn't.</p><p> </p><p> In the end, they too operate from a number of indicators. It's not just wet finger work. Someone needs to tell Machida what those indicators are, because he clearly is confused, given his interview at the end.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damonster Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Anyone else think KZ will get an instant rematch? I think he might have won, or at least SD, Aldo if he didn't dislocate his shoulder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 <p>I won't nitpick and say it's impossible that he could have gotten a split decision had the fight continued. But I didn't see it that way. I had it Aldo for all three rounds that were completed. </p><p> </p><p> Which rounds do you feel he won?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damonster Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I won't nitpick and say it's impossible that he could have gotten a split decision had the fight continued. But I didn't see it that way. I had it Aldo for all three rounds that were completed. <p> </p><p> Which rounds do you feel he won?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> 4th, should he have continued and the 3rd, was a questionable round.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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