TEW2020 Discussion Thread

[Editor6]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Togg" data-cite="Togg" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>One thing I would like to address... It seems that a lot of the new features are pushing what Adam can do with the programing to its limit. The lack of support for png, now the transparency doesn't work with keyboard inputs... Is now the time to call TEW 2020 the last of the old and move forward with a "build structure" that is more modern and supports more, so that the game doesn't reach point where it can't evolve from.<p> I hope that doesn't come across as a negative, I love the TEW series, it just pains me to find limits that can't be passed. Would png support make a huge gameplay difference...no but the graphic community and the possibilities would be huge.</p><p> I understand it would be a big learning curve to go to a new "build system" but with the future in mind...</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think your worries are unfounded. Adam's rewriting the entire game from scratch for 2020 and has said in quite a few entries that some of the things he's done weren't possible with the old code.</p>

[FlameSnoopy]

Really nice to see the multiple variance options in! It's going to make a big difference when having multiple play-throughs with the same database.

[lavelleuk]

The data variance change is a huge one for me, I always played with it on but only really saw maybe a change of 1 or 2 for some wrestlers. Really looking forward to having a much more random database, with potentially pretty major changes to workers stats

[DarK_RaideR]

<p>Loving the variance addition, should add a lot of mystery, replayability and a dash of realism: a good destiny roll doesn't mean a worker will get great at everything all at once.</p><p> </p><p>

Real happy to read about the no-downside addition too, since I mostly play sub-Cult promotions. Coupled with the (indefinite duration) of the handshake deal announced earlier, this should really streamline roster management for small companies.</p>

[K-Nection]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Editor6" data-cite="Editor6" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think your worries are unfounded. Adam's rewriting the entire game from scratch for 2020 and has said in quite a few entries that some of the things he's done weren't possible with the old code.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yes but I also suggested adding support for pngs and Adam locked the thread and said even the programming language wouldn't be supporting them. <a href="http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=543688" rel="external nofollow">http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=543688</a></p>

[Hive]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>A worker's potential is now split up into different categories, allowing database makers a finer degree of control. The categories are Primary Skills, Mental Skills, Performance Skills, Fundamental Skills, Physical Abilities, Announcing, Colour, and Refereeing.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> An excellent addition that I have personally been longing after for a long time.</p>

[ColossusPT]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Vinsmoker" data-cite="Vinsmoker" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Only those that don't have to account for 20, 30 or 50 years into one save and the same playthrough. Football Manager, for example, gets auto-thinking really fast, where you get the same outcomes after 16+ (4 World Cups) years. Or the regular FIFA and PES games rarely change from a year to year basis and stop making sense after 8 years max.<p> </p><p> <strong>NBA games are even worse. Some games have a hard cut, where your career just ends by 2030, others will keep going, with everyone in the league being 50+ years old, while looking 20</strong></p></div></blockquote><p> What? In 2K you can play a Franchise for 50 years and it just keeps adding players. And where did you get the FM thing? Because I have played some saves for more than 16 years and you do not get the same results</p><p> </p><p> The best sports text sim in the market uses the Gregorian calendar and it works without a single issue</p>

[awesomenessofme1]

So, to clarify, the change to downsides just means that downsides start being required at the equivalent of National instead of Regional, right? That seems like it will fit well with the other changes to contracts and finances.

[Winter8905]

There is literally zero reason to not have a proper calendar by this point.

[tryker2710]

Gotta say I'm excited to crank the starting variance to Extreme for every save I ever play. I'd be loving if there was a way to have it set it and forget it. But it's not that many clicks to do it database by database so not really a gripe just something that'd be handy for me personally

[ChairToFace]

I'm glad that we have little profiles for championships now. Perhaps we can learn a little more about them. I'd certainly like to know the history of the PGHW Historical Championship, which existed before PGHW started.

[Jaysin]

I just hope we're able to filter title lineages by title. Had an extra frustrating time modding today. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/mad.png.69834f23b9a8bf290d98375f56f1c794.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

[LoganRodzen]

<p>Changing the variance to different levels sounds awesome. I'm the type of person who ALWAYS plays with that on, no matter what mod I'm using... it's one way for me to justify whatever stats a person has. They aren't made up numbers anymore, the computer has mildly adjusted things prior to every game. It just makes things way more interesting in my mind. Not necessarily realistic, but it absolutely makes each game different... which is exactly what I want with every save I play in TEW.</p><p> </p><p>

And I'm glad downside agreements have been removed for smaller companies. Nothing like having to pay Joe Schmo a minimum of $500 even if we didn't use him for our one show that month. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[what7]

<p>First off, the past few changes which were deemed minor have been pretty great. Most of them, as soon as I read I thought how much it would have improved my experience in some saves in both TEW 2016 and TEW 2013. Great job.</p><p> </p><p>

On another note, I would really like to understand what time limitation does FM have, and how does it have to do with the gregorian calendar.</p><p> </p><p>

It was never a deal breaker for me, but it is still so weird to me that in 2019 TEW still can't have a normal calendar.</p>

[awesomenessofme1]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="what7" data-cite="what7" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>First off, the past few changes which were deemed minor have been pretty great. Most of them, as soon as I read I thought how much it would have improved my experience in some saves in both TEW 2016 and TEW 2013. Great job.<p> </p><p> On another note, I would really like to understand what time limitation does FM have, and how does it have to do with the gregorian calendar.</p><p> </p><p> It was never a deal breaker for me, but it is still so weird to me that in 2019 TEW still can't have a normal calendar.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> From what I understand, the two biggest problems are 1) generating the proper calendars so the game can start at any year and then go for decades into the future and 2) make all scheduling work correctly for any given year.</p><p> </p><p> That said, I'm really hoping this will be the year that the system gets fixed. I'm not a programmer, but from the outside, it doesn't look completely impossible.</p>

[Eidenhoek]

<p>I just like having clean, four-shows-a-month weekly programs. Or the end of month is...well, I <em>guess</em> the change would be "end of month" instead of Sunday 4.</p><p> </p><p>

Meh.</p>

[Makhai]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Togg" data-cite="Togg" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>As someone who loves to play historic mods, I love to have TV show counters. Booking big shows for the 100th 1000th and so on episodes. The current 28 day system... I'm use to it... I live with it... But switching to a real calendar... Would make everything so much better and feel "real". Currently you only get 48 weeks a year, when in reality there are 52. Over 10 years... That's 40 less shows.<p> </p><p> </p><p> One thing I would like to address... It seems that a lot of the new features are pushing what Adam can do with the programing to its limit. The lack of support for png, now the transparency doesn't work with keyboard inputs... Is now the time to call TEW 2020 the last of the old and move forward with a "build structure" that is more modern and supports more, so that the game doesn't reach point where it can't evolve from.</p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's 2020 Adam, I love you and all, but a $30 game should be able to go borderless full screen. I mean, come on.</p>

[lavelleuk]

<p>Today's "minor" changes are probably my favourite so far. I always tell myself I'm not going to spam pre-show to build skills...but I always do. </p><p> </p><p>

The changes to improvements, star quality changes and the variance are three of my favourite changes announced, TEW2020 is going to be in a different league to 16 now, very excited!</p>

[Dolfanar]

As someone who loves to play historic mods, I love to have TV show counters. Booking big shows for the 100th 1000th and so on episodes. The current 28 day system... I'm use to it... I live with it... But switching to a real calendar... Would make everything so much better and feel "real". Currently you only get 48 weeks a year, when in reality there are 52. Over 10 years...

 

A few years ago as a compromise I suggested going to a modified 4 4 5 system. Its a system used in finance to create fiscal month periods.

 

In TEW it would simply mean that 4 months out of the year would get 5 weeks rather than 4 (I think I suggested March, May, August and December). Not perfect but it gets us much closer to our Solar year...

[TLCJR4LIFE]

Thank god for variable star quality

[WCGreyghost]

Really don't like the snide comment about stopping "cheap power gaming" in the Journal. Once I buy the game, I will play it the way I damn well please. I don't care what Adam or anybody else thinks about what I do, how I do it, or why I do it.

[ChairToFace]

From what I understand, the two biggest problems are 1) generating the proper calendars so the game can start at any year and then go for decades into the future and 2) make all scheduling work correctly for any given year.

 

That said, I'm really hoping this will be the year that the system gets fixed. I'm not a programmer, but from the outside, it doesn't look completely impossible.

What if the game tied in to the calendar on the PC it's run on? Is that possible?

[Self]

It's hit the point where starting a new TEW16 game feels doesn't feel worth it to me. So many good changes coming.

[ChairToFace]

In previous games Star Quality was fairly static, only really moving in relation to changes in size or body shape. This has been changed so that during a worker's early career it can slowly rise to simulate them getting more confident and comfortable in the ring. There are now also more random incidents that can provide additional boosts.

 

With the changes in star quality, does that mean that now if a worker shows up drunk, they might have a little boost in star quality or charisma. Lol.

[Kiheiji]

Really don't like the snide comment about stopping "cheap power gaming" in the Journal. Once I buy the game, I will play it the way I damn well please. I don't care what Adam or anybody else thinks about what I do, how I do it, or why I do it.

 

He's right and he should say it!