CWA Discussion Thread

[Blackman]

You guys are free do book however you want, obviously, but if you're going to book the women in a B-show, you might just want to cut the division entirely. I guess you can use a B-show until their contracts run out, but it's better to change them to managers as most have good charisma. But seriously, it might even be better to just plain cut them if it's not your thing.

 

For the record: a B-show is not your Smackdown!. That's an A-show. A B-show is like Velocity or Heat.

 

I don't know how their morale is impacted for just being on B-shows, but it'll probably have an effect. So I'd highly advise against it.

[Matt_Black]

You guys are free do book however you want, obviously, but if you're going to book the women in a B-show, you might just want to cut the division entirely. I guess you can use a B-show until their contracts run out, but it's better to change them to managers as most have good charisma. But seriously, it might even be better to just plain cut them if it's not your thing.

 

 

I don't think it's a question of it not being anyone's thing, I think it's a question of trying to get the ladies more exposure. It's similar to the criticisms levied at AEW- they find plenty of time for the men on Dynamite and Dark, but we're lucky if we get more than one women's singles match a week (a sometimes we don't even get that one match!), and there's really not much in the way of storylines.

[Blackman]

I think you all are confused about what a B-show is in the game. These shows are there to give SOME exposure, ideally for your workers that didn't make the cut on your A show. To keep their form, or momentum, going, or to increase their skills.

 

If your plan is to just move an entire division to there, like WWE arguably does with 205, they're not getting "more exposure" because they might be main eventing there. They're just "there", like a token division, and when they appear on the PPV's, there's always these awkward looks from the crowd that have no clue who they are.

[Matt_Black]

They're only "there" and not getting exposure if you're not actively broadcasting and promoting it.

[LloydCross]

I haven't gotten a chance to try them yet, but a fun angle for trimming down the large roster might be an 8 man tournament where each loser gets fired. Give the winner a title shot (or a new title/accomplishment).

[Blackman]

They're only "there" and not getting exposure if you're not actively broadcasting and promoting it.

 

All right. Why don't you try this idea of getting a division-based B-show and let me know how the division's pop turns out at the end of two months? I'm sure it'll be glorious.

[crownsy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47614" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You guys are free do book however you want, obviously, but if you're going to book the women in a B-show, you might just want to cut the division entirely. I guess you can use a B-show until their contracts run out, but it's better to change them to managers as most have good charisma. But seriously, it might even be better to just plain cut them if it's not your thing.<p> </p><p> For the record: a B-show is not your Smackdown!. That's an A-show. A B-show is like Velocity or Heat.</p><p> </p><p> I don't know how their morale is impacted for just being on B-shows, but it'll probably have an effect. So I'd highly advise against it.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I mean with the roster bloat that's about the only way you can keep a women's division on the roster. I like the creative idea of CWA but there roster size is insane. </p><p> </p><p> even booking a regular TV show is painful with the roster as it comes, so not going to be surprised by more pain with the women having their own show. Can't be worse that what I'm seeing in the divide between the 30-35 workers that can actually work at the level CWA wants and the tanked segments anytime you try to use the women outside of the top 2 or 3, the guys who really don't belong on the roster (which maybe that's the idea? have the player cut the chaff and then they go to Canadian indies to get work/improve?) and Jenny for the traditional cheap high scoring segment when she cuts the promo for the person she's managing. </p><p> </p><p> Unless the women are working their own show, they are never going to get matches outside of like 4 of them, and like a poster above said I don't see how that helps any of the rest of the roster develop really. I might as well cut 2/3rds of the division and just run Queens Court vs Amber endlessly as a midcard attraction if that's the only way to play this years version of the game. </p><p> </p><p> I realize I could game it and just say "just kidding toots, all of you are managers and/or cut so i can focus on the men" but that's not how i want to play CWA. </p><p> </p><p> Honestly i think most of the creative ways to play CWA are going to be incredibly painful to play with mechanically the current way the engine works, absent just cutting around 15-20 people on day 1. it's pretty clear what the best "game" move is, to cut everyone left over from the merger that isn't a Decolt, Stone, or already over to get the roster down to "CGC with a couple NOTBPW guys also onthe roster, along with Stone's kid"</p><p> </p><p> CWA seems posed for a downturn (which may be the point, which is fine! Adam may be going for the "this idea from the kids had the best of intentions, but was always going to fail as they envisioned it" with this bloated roster and be putting it on us to make the cuts.) but honestly I'll take the tanked pop and just use the editor to make sure we don't go bankrupt if a velocity style show for the women is the difference between CWA living or dying as a company.</p>

[crownsy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47614" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>All right. Why don't you try this idea of getting a division-based B-show and let me know how the division's pop turns out at the end of two months? I'm sure it'll be glorious. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> There aren't enough over women workers in their division to sustain their pop/ an independent division without developing some of the up and coming girls, who there is no TV time for, so kinda a catch 22 honestly.</p>

[The Lloyd]

I said 'B or A show' in my post. I think you're right about them just being 'there' if it was a B show. You wouldn't gain anything, they wouldn't gain anything.

 

I see it as a risk having them on their own A show, because they probably don't have the star power or overness to hold their own on there. They only have three ladies recognised as 'well known' and no stars or major stars. That would make it a risk, but also a challenge. How will you book your division? There's 15 ladies there, so there are plenty to work with on a 1 hour show, at least to begin with. Will you let the guys show up for mixed tag matches? Will you let the girls fight, and beat the guys?! Interestingly, Hailey Hunter and Jenny Playmate are very over! They are two other 'well known' females in the company!

 

41 males is a lot for one TV show a week but it is doable. Let's say you have 5 matches, that can take care of 10-20 guys in the ring. Then another 10 or so in non-wrestling segments. Some jobbers/enhancement guys don't have to be on every TV show. Some guys accompany their buddies or tag partners to the ring. You have interferences, allsorts to play with. You could even boost the TV show to 2 hours instead of 90 minutes if you needed to. So I don't see the guys and girls splitting being a problem for the guys. It just becomes a real challenge for the girls. B or A would work for me.

 

As for a women's division not being my thing. I have very often said this in my diaries: Booking a women's division, within a men's one, is very hard! Using the example of a 90 minute TV show with five matches on it, you can realistically give a maximum of 2 to the girls, but more often than not it'll just be 1. Then out of say, 5 or 6 non-wrestling segments, it's 1 or 2 again. Maximum. So therefore, a roster of 15 ladies, with one match and two segments, takes care of 5 or 6 of them per week? Sometimes up to 8 of them? It's not hard, it's damn near impossible. It's not like a Cruiserweight Division, where you can book them to fight the 'heavyweights'. Or even interact with them in a meaningful way. They can't start arguments that lead to feuds, or attack each other, or anything like that.

 

Really interested to see how others would do it, but if it were me, I'd start a second one hour A-Show, allowing 4 matches and 4-5 segments, and just hope it's good enough to sustain for long enough to create some stars!

[Morti]

I said 'B or A show' in my post. I think you're right about them just being 'there' if it was a B show. You wouldn't gain anything, they wouldn't gain anything.

 

I see it as a risk having them on their own A show, because they probably don't have the star power or overness to hold their own on there. They only have three ladies recognised as 'well known' and no stars or major stars. That would make it a risk, but also a challenge. How will you book your division? There's 15 ladies there, so there are plenty to work with on a 1 hour show, at least to begin with. Will you let the guys show up for mixed tag matches? Will you let the girls fight, and beat the guys?! Interestingly, Hailey Hunter and Jenny Playmate are very over! They are two other 'well known' females in the company!

 

41 males is a lot for one TV show a week but it is doable. Let's say you have 5 matches, that can take care of 10-20 guys in the ring. Then another 10 or so in non-wrestling segments. Some jobbers/enhancement guys don't have to be on every TV show. Some guys accompany their buddies or tag partners to the ring. You have interferences, allsorts to play with. You could even boost the TV show to 2 hours instead of 90 minutes if you needed to. So I don't see the guys and girls splitting being a problem for the guys. It just becomes a real challenge for the girls. B or A would work for me.

 

As for a women's division not being my thing. I have very often said this in my diaries: Booking a women's division, within a men's one, is very hard! Using the example of a 90 minute TV show with five matches on it, you can realistically give a maximum of 2 to the girls, but more often than not it'll just be 1. Then out of say, 5 or 6 non-wrestling segments, it's 1 or 2 again. Maximum. So therefore, a roster of 15 ladies, with one match and two segments, takes care of 5 or 6 of them per week? Sometimes up to 8 of them? It's not hard, it's damn near impossible. It's not like a Cruiserweight Division, where you can book them to fight the 'heavyweights'. Or even interact with them in a meaningful way. They can't start arguments that lead to feuds, or attack each other, or anything like that.

 

Really interested to see how others would do it, but if it were me, I'd start a second one hour A-Show, allowing 4 matches and 4-5 segments, and just hope it's good enough to sustain for long enough to create some stars!

I second Lloyd's point, I too struggle immensely booking a Women's Division on a shared product. A pure women's company works well, as well as an integrated product. But all together? That becomes too much for me personally, so the women sadly fall to the side. Them having their own show could work, but I think you would need to sign more women for an A show to be viable.

 

I am trying to get better though, building up a women's division to debut in the future for my TCW save.

[The Lloyd]

I second Lloyd's point, I too struggle immensely booking a Women's Division on a shared product. A pure women's company works well, as well as an integrated product. But all together? That becomes too much for me personally, so the women sadly fall to the side. Them having their own show could work, but I think you would need to sign more women for an A show to be viable.

 

I am trying to get better though, building up a women's division to debut in the future for my TCW save.

 

I think if you were starting a women's division, you'd maybe add 8 women to the roster to begin with and go from there. This company have 15 wrestlers, and three other non-wrestling females with decent popularity (I missed Faith earlier!). Plenty of wrestling talent to build a division on a one hour tv show. Over time, it'd get a bit repetitive, so you'd have to freshen it up in time. But 15 to begin with I think is more than enough! A lot of them have worked for NOTBPW for a while too.

[crownsy]

I think if you were starting a women's division, you'd maybe add 8 women to the roster to begin with and go from there. This company have 15 wrestlers, and three other non-wrestling females with decent popularity (I missed Faith earlier!). Plenty of wrestling talent to build a division on a one hour tv show. Over time, it'd get a bit repetitive, so you'd have to freshen it up in time. But 15 to begin with I think is more than enough! A lot of them have worked for NOTBPW for a while too.

 

yea, I'm going to plough on with the B show for the women, knowing from game play mechanics wise it's going to be likely nuke us in Canada for at least a few years.

 

In my head cannon it's the cleanest way to do it, almost like FCW pre NXT on the network for the women with title matches that can reasonably be placed on events doing so.

[lghikas]

I got a 74 my first show...I ain't mad. I'll probably mess around with the match and angle focus a bit..but right now I switched both of them to regular..I have yet to mess around with the financials but CWA screams to me that you should mess around with cutting a few workers or eventually open up a Dev company or relationship to take some of the people that aren't ready.

 

Booking philosophy will be a combo of how I'd booked CGC and NOTBPW at the start of games...Spam and rely heavily on the stars....ie the DeColts....

 

Drake Young is great guy to push and hopefully get over...and could be a god send as a Manager.

 

To me CWA is really in the foundation stage of building for a long term future. I see alot of similarities between them and AEW right now...incredible amount of talent..but they need to get over to really move to the next level.

[Blackman]

Yeah, all things together, it's a really sticky situation. But this seems like the biggest challenge to book in this 2020 scenario.

 

I think you are indeed supposed to cut some workers immediately, or start a second A-show. Lots of options on the formulas. I don't know how tight the finances are, but

 

If it were me I'd definitely keep it mixed. Throw some "mixed match" tournament together and have them appear together in segments. The AI seems awkwardly bad on booking their segments, and some of the men really aren't that good E-wise.

[crownsy]

Yeah, all things together, it's a really sticky situation. But this seems like the biggest challenge to book in this 2020 scenario.

 

I think you are indeed supposed to cut some workers immediately, or start a second A-show. Lots of options on the formulas. I don't know how tight the finances are, but

 

If it were me I'd definitely keep it mixed. Throw some "mixed match" tournament together and have them appear together in segments. The AI seems awkwardly bad on booking their segments, and some of the men really aren't that good E-wise.

 

yea there's no doubt the best fix is to cut like....20 of the men and about 5 of the women workers day 1 and book it like old school CGC. Just not sure i want to give in and do it

[The Lloyd]

I'm far too emotionally attached to most of the roster to cut anyone It's one of the things I'm worst at on this game! I'll see a Solomon Gold and remember the run he had in my previous save or diary. Then Robby Griffin, but he's Mark's brother, I can't do that Developmental company would work too. They have a lot of kids!! 8 workers under 22!!

[morjavick]

I am new at this game and I like the history of CWA.

But, planning my world domination, I struggle to find a way to find a broadcaster for the USA, exept via OnDem. But that mean to have small coverage in Canada.

 

Is there an other way ?

[awesomenessofme1]

I am new at this game and I like the history of CWA.

But, planning my world domination, I struggle to find a way to find a broadcaster for the USA, exept via OnDem. But that mean to have small coverage in Canada.

 

Is there an other way ?

 

You aren't blocked from having overlapping broadcasters. You wouldn't want to do it for a PPV and non-PPV broadcaster, but two different Commercial broadcasters with coverage in Canada would be fine.

[Croquemitaine]

Finally got a chance to look through the company a bit. First thought: Why is everyone on Exclusive Written contracts? Does Adrian still think he's playing TEW2016? Get the undercarder on non-exclusive per-show deals (since most of them you're only going to use once or twice a month) and let them get some experience on the indies.

 

For a real world example, look at AEW. Even their top guys are allowed to work elsewhere. Outside of WWE, I think non-excusive is going to become the new norm. The C-Verse should start reflecting that (outside of USPW and maybe SWF who should still emulate WWE practices).

[Kitarzu]

I think Exclusive Written is the way to justify and avoid your roster to get poached by USPW.

[crownsy]

I think Exclusive Written is the way to justify and avoid your roster to get poached by USPW.

 

This is what I assume, that it was done both to make sure they didn't immediately get poached and make the player make some tough choices about taking short term financial hits for long term viability

 

I dunno honestly. i'm like 1 month into the save with them running TV twice a week now and it's tough not to just be like "forget it, I should just restart and cut like half the roster, then replace any losses for cutting them in the editor so I'm not bankrupt"

 

The developmental territory someone else suggested might also be the way to go if you want to try to hold onto their younger talent outside of their 2-4 prospects that might pan out.

[Kitarzu]

I think also that changing names to shows and PPV could left an opening in a future revamp of the CGC and NOTBPW, just in case things will go wrong with USPW.

[lghikas]

Finished 1 month....made plenty of money, roughly $500,000 and I'm happy with that...especially with the size of the roster. Didn't invest into anything just yet.

 

Put the TV Title onto Ricky...I much prefer the potential match ups with him vs the heels than Mr. Impact holding onto the title longer.....although spamming Ricky and Jack teaming is very tempting.

 

Really the only issue I having is my tv main events can be lackluster...although I'm really trying to build up Knight and Vessey against guys who probably aren't ready for TV Main Events. I'm so used to being able to spam either Jack/Ricky or Steve and be able to carry good/great grades and I'm just not finding that so far.

[Croquemitaine]

I think Exclusive Written is the way to justify and avoid your roster to get poached by USPW.

Yes, for your top guys, and anyone you'd miss from your midcard. Basically anyone who's in danger of getting poached. But there's about a third of CWA's roster that isn't going anywhere, won't be used more than once or twice a month, and could benefit from some outside bookings (remember they can do independent shows now if they're non-exclusive). If they show potential, then you can lock them up. Until then, you're overpaying.

[downnice]

Two weeks left with CWA before the end of February and I'm doing pretty solid, signed some young talent and I'm working with getting my relationship with ACW up to get them to accept developmental workers.

 

Going to invest some money into Dojos and creating a Indian wrestling company and be the first one to break into their market