TEW2020 Discussion Thread

[Rone Rivendale]

<p>At the risk of sounding like a fanboy, what part of the last decade or so of great games that get better and better with every incarnation makes you people question Adam at this point?</p><p> </p><p>

I'm pretty sure we should trust that he knows what he's doing and baseless complaints about a game we haven't touched yet is kind of mean.</p>

[awesomenessofme1]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Cold Cobra" data-cite="Cold Cobra" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That would be the one way it wouldn't work, surely? If I set WWE to run WrestleMania on April 7th, then that would work fine for this year, but the following year it would run WrestleMania on a Monday, then the year after that a Tuesday, etc. It would only work, as someone else said, it you put "The third Sunday of the month" or something like that, but with even that would be a pain in the backside to program...</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm not sure you understand what I was saying. I may have phrased it poorly. I was saying that almost all situations could be handled by one of two situations: Either it will be a specific date (e.g. December 25 for a Christmas event), *or* it could be the Xth Yday of Z (e.g. the 3rd Sunday of July).</p>

[wwe9112]

I think it would be cool if we can have a farewell match or segment for someone retiring / moving to the parent company / or someone we didn't resign. I think it would play well with the first entry of this journal.

[LoganRodzen]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="awesomenessofme1" data-cite="awesomenessofme1" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Honestly, I don't even know the reason why they have the calendar the way they do currently. Is it an issue with the AI not knowing how to properly schedule annual events? If so, this is the perfect time to fix it. And I can't think of any other reason why it would be necessary off the top of my head.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It doesn't need to be "fixed". TEW2004 had a real calendar. Adam removed it when he made TEW2005 and we've had it that way for almost 15 years now. I hate to be the one to break it to you, but that isn't a part of the game that's going to change. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[awesomenessofme1]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="LoganRodzen" data-cite="LoganRodzen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It doesn't need to be "fixed". TEW2004 had a real calendar. Adam removed it when he made TEW2005 and we've had it that way for almost 15 years now. I hate to be the one to break it to you, but that isn't a part of the game that's going to change. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I personally wouldn't use an example of the games changing calendar systems as my reasoning for why the game isn't going to change it's calendar system, but maybe that's just me.</p>

[justtxyank]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="steev42" data-cite="steev42" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah, this; mainly with repetitive events. Just look at this month. If I schedule an annual event on March 22nd -- do I want it to always be the 22nd, or do I want it to be the 4th Friday, or do I want it to be the next-to-last Friday? Or do I just want it to be 'around' the 22nd, and the actual day is flexible? There are ways around it, but always being on the same day is much easier to program...and you just can't do that using a real-world calendar.<p> </p><p> All that said, I was disappointed when the series moved away from Real-World, and I'd love to see it go back.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Why would need to set a date for an event to begin with? </p><p> Held on: Day (Monday-sun)</p><p> Qualifers: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th or last</p><p> </p><p> You could let the user switch the event to a calendar day if there was a reason to always have an event on a specific date (New Years Day maybe?)</p><p> </p><p> This doesn't seem complicated.</p>

[BrokenCycle]

It's Cornellverse lore that every month has 28 days.

[NoHopeForSome]

<p>I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere yet and I hope I'm up to date on the new features of the game so sorry if this has been clarified and I've missed it.</p><p> </p><p>

Within the new contract system, is there a way to restrict your workers from working with specific companies?</p><p> </p><p>

For example, I'm thinking of the TNA/ROH, AEW/ROH things like NXTUK/WOS situations where a worker can work for other companies but not that one. It's something that seems to happen more and more and I would be a fan of that being seen in the game.</p>

[Moe Hunter]

That's already in the game, represented by Company Relationships (Non-Aggression, War, etc).

[Greylocke]

But it would be better if, rather than basing the restriction only on specific company or relationship, we can have the option of setting broader or more variable scopes in the restrictions, such as not allowing your worker to work for another company that is above a certain size, or for another company that has TV/broadcaster exposure, etc.

[Teh_Showtime]

Super stoked to see a revamp of independent wrestling only a few days after my suggestion. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

[leigh31]

<p>Game looking great</p><p> </p><p>

Roll in xmas 2019 this game already looks like being Adam's greatest edition in the franchise. Kudos to you Mr Ryland.</p>

[Slim Jim]

<p>I feel like the calendar would be one of the first things Adam looked at when rebuilding the game from scratch as it is mentioned/requested so often. I also think if it wasn’t possible he would have shut down the conversation already and let people know that it still wasn’t possible. I don’t really mind the 48 week system, I generally stick to a regular schedule and the 4-week structure works with that.</p><p> </p><p>

Having said that, I’d love a proper calendar, it’d be much more immersive. Like someone else said, the option to say an event must be on a certain day of the week, and then either the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, last (which would be 4th or 5th depending on month) week of the month, or a specific date regardless of day, that’d be a nice touch.</p><p> </p><p>

I guess we wait and see. It’d probably be the biggest feature reveal due to the history that’s gone with it.</p>

[justtxyank]

Love the independent show changes. Very cool.

[Tom Bombadil]

<p>One of my favorite parts of the game is watching stuff, and one of my favorite things to watch is indy shows, so I'm hyped for this!</p><p> </p><p>

As for a calendar, sure it'd be nice to have a real one, but at this point I've gotten used to the 48-week thing and don't particularly mind it. Took me a while though.</p>

[shawn michaels]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Slim Jim" data-cite="Slim Jim" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I feel like the calendar would be one of the first things Adam looked at when rebuilding the game from scratch as it is mentioned/requested so often. I also think if it wasn’t possible he would have shut down the conversation already and let people know that it still wasn’t possible. I don’t really mind the 48 week system, I generally stick to a regular schedule and the 4-week structure works with that.<p> </p><p> </p><p> Having said that, I’d love a proper calendar, it’d be much more immersive. Like someone else said, the option to say an event must be on a certain day of the week, and then either the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, last (which would be 4th or 5th depending on month) week of the month, or a specific date regardless of day, that’d be a nice touch.</p><p> </p><p> I guess we wait and see. It’d probably be the biggest feature reveal due to the history that’s gone with it.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> I respect your opinion but there are better and more important stuff to capitalize on. So if Adam is changing he should just already make an entry about it. It would be an important change, but I sure hope not the biggest it is gonna get, or the game would be disappointing. </p><p> </p><p> On a different note, I do hope the contract negotiating part is improved. Money still is the most important factor in general that moves workers, but, contrary to the attitude era, workers seem to care a lot more about push, creative, title wins and other perks. The rise of AEW is showing this. Or situations like the revival, ambrose, Maria and mike, Batista wanting to return only to face HHH, the usos apparently trying to force their way out after some promises of good booking by AEW and some rumoured matches with The bucks. And so on.</p>

[Cold Cobra]

Love the changes to the indy events. I have quite a few lower levels indies in my mod anyway, but the fact that contracted talent can appear on these different random events is a great touch, puts these random shows on the same level as the "local promotions" (or whatever they'll be called in 2020, I can't remember now...) or higher and makes the world feel more realistic. It's always fun to hire someone and see they've had matches already since the game started.

[Gungner]

I'm not loving a few of the new features, but I do love most of them... So I'll be buying it when it rolls around.

[Hive]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="justtxyank" data-cite="justtxyank" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Love the independent show changes. Very cool.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, letting unemployed workers get more opportunities to work is a welcome addition.</p><p> </p><p> Question: will the naming for independent shows in any way be modable?</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shawn michaels" data-cite="shawn michaels" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Money still is the most important factor in general that moves workers</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's one of the most important factors, but number of dates the workers have to work is probably just as important to them.</p>

[shawn michaels]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hive" data-cite="Hive" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah, letting unemployed workers get more opportunities to work is a welcome addition.<p> </p><p> Question: will the naming for independent shows in any way be modable?</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> It's one of the most important factors, but number of dates the workers have to work is probably just as important to them.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Very true. While money is still a big deal I feel nowadays some workers care much more about dates, workload, pushes, booking and perks than they used to. I would love to see this tied to personalities and reflected on what we can negotiate.</p>

[steev42]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hive" data-cite="Hive" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Question: will the naming for independent shows in any way be modable?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'd like that. I was also thinking that instead of just "Independent Show from XXX", give the 'company' an acronym of 3-4 letters. Doesn't need a name, but if it was something like "GYE (Independant Company in XXX) held a show..." Even better if it remembered the ones it used and occasionally went back to them.</p><p> </p><p> The Independents, after all, would theoretically just be promotions too small to be modeled in TEW.</p>

[SirMichaelJordan]

<p>Yes I hope incentives play a much bigger role in negotiating. Would like to see new ones added along with promises and clauses. I don’t want to just generically offer the highest amount of money. On the other side, I would like to see workers demand certain things. I don’t think Kenny Omega would even talk to WWE unless creative control was given before a price is even negotiated.</p><p> </p><p>

And if pushes are truly gone, maybe more emphasis on promising roles like “major star” Icon” “gatekeeper” and things like promising to keep someone strong (keep momentum or perception above a certain number) or promise main event (book no lower than the second to last match on a card)</p>

[SirMichaelJordan]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="steev42" data-cite="steev42" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'd like that. I was also thinking that instead of just "Independent Show from XXX", give the 'company' an acronym of 3-4 letters. Doesn't need a name, but if it was something like "GYE (Independant Company in XXX) held a show..." Even better if it remembered the ones it used and occasionally went back to them.<p> </p><p> The Independents, after all, would theoretically just be promotions too small to be modeled in TEW.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Sounds good but I think Independent Show from “tri state” covers more area than it would if we would give it a specific name. It would be great if we had an unlimited source of names for it to choose from but considering small Indy shows usually run once a month if lucky, seeing (insert random name here) every month or week depending on FA size in that area, it wouldn’t be as immersive as Independent Show from (area) because that could speak of multiple companies each time instead of the same one if that makes sense.</p>

[LoganRodzen]

The new Indy shows adds a lot to the game world. Anything to keep people working and gaining skills, even when they are unemployed I'm all for.

 

I personally wouldn't use an example of the games changing calendar systems as my reasoning for why the game isn't going to change it's calendar system, but maybe that's just me.

 

The example was showing you that he used the 365-day calendar once before and removed it because it didn't work. The current format has been used for 15 years and clearly isn't broken, as you suggested it needed to be fixed.

[shawn michaels]

Yes I hope incentives play a much bigger role in negotiating. Would like to see new ones added along with promises and clauses. I don’t want to just generically offer the highest amount of money. On the other side, I would like to see workers demand certain things. I don’t think Kenny Omega would even talk to WWE unless creative control was given before a price is even negotiated.

 

And if pushes are truly gone, maybe more emphasis on promising roles like “major star” Icon” “gatekeeper” and things like promising to keep someone strong (keep momentum or perception above a certain number) or promise main event (book no lower than the second to last match on a card)

 

I agree. And if they are totally gone, the new system needs to be adjusted to make these ideas work.