TEW2020 Discussion Thread

[DarK_RaideR]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Luchador Canadiense" data-cite="Luchador Canadiense" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Love the new "luchas de apuestas" feature.<p> Fingers crossed that we'll also get a feature that'll tell us at the outset of feud whether someone might be willing to drop their mask. Nothing worse than building up a feud to a "lucha de apuesta" and finding out the guy isn't likely to drop his mask. The way it is now, it is really hard to plan a feud that culminates in a lucha de apuesta.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Steven James" data-cite="Steven James" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Right now I think a person losing their mask or hair is based on their conservative/liberal bar in their personality settings. If they're liberal, they'll be willing to lose their hair/mask, but they won't want to lose it if they're conservative.<p> </p><p> I'm just basing that on a guess, which is based on the way people are willing to do more extreme matches if they're liberal, but only traditional matches if they're conservative.</p></div></blockquote><p> I'm pretty sure the conservative/liberal slider has to do with whether a worker will accept working for a heavily risque promotion and do gimmicks/matches/angles with high risk content. From my understanding, it has more to do with a worker's age and the mask's ownership/prestige. Older workers winding down their career (especially in decline) should be more willing to lose their masks. Likewise, a company-specific and/or low prestige mask should be easier to sacrifice than a privately-owned, high prestige mask. Still, even now you can test the waters before building up the feud: book a match, order the worker to lose their mask and see how they react. If they object, cancel the feud and if they don't, remove the "loses mask" note (or the entire match) and start the storyline.</p><p> </p><p> On that note, Adam has already announced that personality sliders will be replaced with 'trait tags' like the ones in WMMA5 and players will have the option of talking to a worker, so I'm hoping with TEW2020 it will be easier to tell if a worker is willing to lose their mask sooner rather than later.</p>

[Wonk]

<p>Really like the pre-booking feature. Will play with that on all the time.</p><p> </p><p>

Some people are going to complain about it without fully reading - remember folks, it's <strong>optional</strong>.</p>

[lavelleuk]

Today's feature is a big one for me, and I believe a lot of people. It's something I'll be using all the time!

[Togg]

<p>Today's feature is a huge bonus in my eyes and much needed. It pleases those who can turn it off and those of us who like as much realism as possible.</p><p> </p><p> I would however have preferred if the Pre-Booking feature allowed a minor boost. As it stands, its better than nothing, but encouraging over booking a show for a small boost would be great.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Adam Ryland" data-cite="Adam Ryland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Pre booking does not increase attendances, it can only reduce them - this is because the attendance is already based on the assumption that you're providing the best quality card you can and so it's at its maximum by default.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> Can we not assume that we would put on a 90% card? so there is a minor overbook. OR!!! in the case of WWE... Assume that the show is awful, so any pre booking that isnt changed while live on air is a bonus <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />:p:p</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Along with the Rating wars, Mass booking shows... im really looking forward to TEW 2020. Im really noticing these features missing from TEW 2016 more and more each day <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />:p</p>

[what7]

I like that you are bringing it back, and making it optional for those that don't like it, but I fail to see why you wouldn't give a boost for pre-booking big matches or angles, because in reality that would entice a rating/attendance boost... Moreover, pre-booking a debut could also give a bigger boost than just the "drawing power" of the participant (or backfire).

[SirMichaelJordan]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="what7" data-cite="what7" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I like that you are bringing it back, and making it optional for those that don't like it, but I fail to see why you wouldn't give a boost for pre-booking big matches or angles, because in reality that would entice a rating/attendance boost... Moreover, pre-booking a debut could also give a bigger boost than just the "drawing power" of the participant (or backfire).</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> To play devils advocate, if those workers are on the roster, it’s expected for them to be on the show. I do wish there was a WMMA type draw feature tho. That will sometimes force you to main event certain guys if you market the show or event as a highly important one.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> I think the easiest way to implement it will be to allow story line heat to directly boost attendance if it doesn’t already does so.</p><p> </p><p> Surprise guess and debuts are already accounted for if they are on the roster.</p>

[cps_1908]

<p>Today’s entry is a big plus for me as well and I will definitely be using this feature.</p><p> </p><p>

I would also echo the previous post however in that I also would have preferred if the pre booking feature offered a small boost when used successfully to give a further incentive other than realism for using it. </p><p> </p><p>

I also have a quick question - If we play with this feature on will the AI then also be pre booking or will it still be booking the other way.</p>

[cps_1908]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="SirMichaelJordan" data-cite="SirMichaelJordan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>To play devils advocate, if those workers are on the roster, it’s expected for them to be on the show. I do wish there was a WMMA type draw feature tho. That will sometimes force you to main event certain guys.<p> </p><p> </p><p> I think the easiest way to implement it will be to allow story line heat to directly boost attendance if it doesn’t already does so.</p><p> </p><p> Surprise guess and debuts are already accounted for if they are on the roster.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> To be on the show yes but just being expected to be on the show is different from being booked in a specific match. Being on the show could very well just end up wrestling in a squash match or if it’s the WWE being put in a nonsensical angle. </p><p> </p><p> As a very basic example – There are two shows that you have an option to attend and Steve Austin and Rock are both on the roster for both shows.</p><p> </p><p> The first show has no matches booked and the second show has Rock v Steve Austin Booked in a match. </p><p> </p><p> I pretty sure anyone with that choice is going to the second show.</p>

[Adam Ryland]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="what7" data-cite="what7" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I like that you are bringing it back, and making it optional for those that don't like it, but I fail to see why you wouldn't give a boost for pre-booking big matches or angles</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It'd be extremely unfair on people who aren't playing with the feature turned on if you have a bonus. </p><p> </p><p> A scenario where two players book identical shows but one gets a 10% bigger crowd just because he or she is using mandatory pre booking would be silly - especially in a multiplayer game, where it's going to give a significant advantage over time for the player who has the feature turned on.</p><p> </p><p> You'd effectively be handing any competent booker a constant bonus to their attendance just for being organised.</p>

[Luchador Canadiense]

<p>Love the idea of pre-booking. I'll be turning that on.</p><p> </p><p>

I've always felt that if the object of the game was to put someone in the shoes of a real wrestling booker, then it needed to focus on the one thing wrestling bookers have always had to focus on: putting backsides in the seats!</p>

[DarK_RaideR]

Really liking the new update. I loved the past system where you'd have to pre-announce matches to sell tickets and PPV buys, though I understand it can get punishing, so having the option to turn it on or off is the best. Really looking forward to a system that will push me to think more in terms of long term booking and add a few more obstacles for the smaller feds to overcome (such as when a worker gets injured working for another promotion)

[BiffJordan]

Nice addition with pre booking!

[nerodragomir1]

<p>Pre-Booking</p><p> </p><p>

I wanna give Adam a round of applause for adding back the pre-booker & making it the way he did. An option is the best balance you can offer. I love how it's not relevant to all shows but just the major & PPV ones. Still can't wait for 2020.</p>

[ChairToFace]

Love the way booking has been changed and how on the fly booking is now a part of the game. Hopefully I can play some two player game one day with someone simulating the Monday Night Wars, or maybe make the Tuesday Night Wars in the CVerse (SWF Supreme TV & TCW Total Wrestling).

[cps_1908]

<p>I wanted to ask another question about the pre booking. </p><p> </p><p>

The description states that if you’re using this you’ll get penalised if you don’t pre book matches far enough in advance – A week for events and a day for the TV. </p><p> </p><p>

What about TV shows the night after a PPV. For example like Monday Night Raw the night after a PPV where you couldn’t realistically pre book any matches the day before because the PPV wouldn’t have happened yet. </p><p> </p><p>

Will these be treated differently?</p>

[cappyboy]

Okay. So we finally get to the area where my greatest concern has lain and I see nothing that would seem to help. What I would want to know most is what the pre-booking interface is going to be like this time around. Do we still have to use the laundry list format we've had the last couple games? Or do we have something like a pre-booking calendar? The laundry lists we've had the last couple games have been horribly unwieldy for people who want to keep story structure in game. Try to keep too many months of pre-booking in the list at once for organization purposes and all of a sudden it becomes an energy drain just to look at. Personally I'd say that needs as much attention if not more than the things this journal entry covered.. I've not been able to play the last two games very comfortably because of this issue and I don't know I'd even buy 2020 if it's not fixed. The game has felt horribly skewed toward pant seat flyers ever since the pre-13 chained storylines were removed.

[christmas_ape]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Adam Ryland" data-cite="Adam Ryland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It'd be extremely unfair on people who aren't playing with the feature turned on if you have a bonus. <p> </p><p> A scenario where two players book identical shows but one gets a 10% bigger crowd just because he or she is using mandatory pre booking would be silly - especially in a multiplayer game, where it's going to give a significant advantage over time for the player who has the feature turned on.</p><p> </p><p> You'd effectively be handing any competent booker a constant bonus to their attendance just for being organised.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I love the feature, but I don't really get this logic. You could use it for so many different optional features that get bonuses. Aren't momentum, gimmicks ratings and plenty of other things like that optional? I believe those give positive bonuses not just prevent negative ones? Rightly so in my opinion. It's all great to give the user choice but it wouldn't be right to not give someone who has that turned on bonuses just in case they happen to be in a multiplayer game where the other person doesn't have it on. Surely this would just mean if 2 people are playing and 1 doesn't want it on then they have to just ask the other person not to have it on or accept that they are getting a bonus for doing managing extra factors, just like with momentum/gimmicks. </p><p> </p><p> The idea that the fans in game are making the assumption that every show is stacked and so the only possible effect is for them to be disappointed if you instead don't prebook a great show seems to take some fun out of the mechanic. </p><p> </p><p> One small thing, I hope there is the option to have a mystery opponent or the option to just hype the fact that 1 wrestler is in action, rather than having to pick the exact match that's going to happen. This could allow a lot of fun things like promoting an open challenge or a mystery debut. </p><p> </p><p> In general though regardless of these points I'm pretty confident I'll play with this feature on and it's another in the long list of things I'm looking forward to!</p>

[DatIsraeliGuy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Adam Ryland" data-cite="Adam Ryland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It'd be extremely unfair on people who aren't playing with the feature turned on if you have a bonus. <p> </p><p> A scenario where two players book identical shows but one gets a 10% bigger crowd just because he or she is using mandatory pre booking would be silly - especially in a multiplayer game, where it's going to give a significant advantage over time for the player who has the feature turned on.</p><p> </p><p> You'd effectively be handing any competent booker a constant bonus to their attendance just for being organised.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I fail to see how that matters?</p><p> Show ratings vary anyways already since you have randomness (chemistry, time decline, consistency etc.) so why should one care about it in this context?</p><p> Every save is different, that's the point...</p><p> </p><p> Also, yes, if you're organized and plan in advance you ARE a better booker, that's kind of obvious.</p>

[Scapps88]

<p>So, I have one question based on this:</p><p> </p><p>

1.) While you mention attendance will be affected by pre-booking, what about PPV buys? I'd love to see buys influenced by what you advertise.</p>

[James Casey]

<p>I suspect that it's because pre-booking is something you have to put time into - momentum etc. are calculated by the game so take no additional time on the player's part. Forcing a player to spend more time on a part of the game that was previously removed (or streamlined, at least) to earn that bonus seems unfair.</p><p> </p><p>

*</p><p> </p><p>

With that being said, I do use pre-booking sometimes. It would be interesting to know if 2020 will allow TV shows to be booked more than a week in advance - I tend to book month to month, but in-game I can only book events/PPVs that far in advance.</p><p> </p><p>

Also, can you add recurring angles/matches to pre-booking? Something like a best-of-seven series of matches, or tick 'until further notice' on 'Steve Austin drinks beer to close Raw'?</p>

[John Lions]

<p>Ecstatic about this feature. One question, I would make it a suggestion but I don't even know if it's possible or not based on how the AI is currently set up.</p><p> </p><p>

Is there any way to have the AI be capable of using/following pre-booking to some extent? With the AI, the "limiting factor" to it is them booking realistically, with a look at consequences before and after every given show. If there was a way to have them "pre-book" at the very least events based on decisions like storylines, worker popularity/momentum/etc, then maybe it could kind of force the AI to book a major PPV like event with incidental pre-planning, that can make the AI be a bit more realistic? This is me just spitballing here, since I have no clue how possible it would be to implement this in any way.</p>

[Hive]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Adam Ryland" data-cite="Adam Ryland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You'd effectively be handing any competent booker a constant bonus to their attendance just for being organised.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Wouldn't that actually be quite reasonable?</p><p> </p><p> I was pleased to see pre-booking return - but without any positive effects from it, I personally doubt I'll be using it.</p>

[SirMichaelJordan]

Pre Booking hot storylines on a show should definitely give you a slight bonus in attendance...

[John Lions]

From my understanding, TEW treats a user player as if all of their matches are pre-booked anyway. You aren't going to get a reward for pre-booking with the feature turned on because game-logic can only work if you are pre-booking anyway. How can a show be advertised and hyped if none of the matches are pre-booked/announced in advance? Since pre-booking heat was removed a while back, the game was just working on an honors system and treating it as if you were properly pre-booking and building heat to your shows. There's no reason for there to be a reward on top of the rewards system already built into the game. The feature just lets the AI "see" whether you are actually pre-booking and planning your shows and punishes you if you aren't, making it more realistic.

[CrookedRainJr]

Curious how the new pre-booking would work with block TV tapings?