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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Whereas if you call the guys up and just have them on the B-show, they'll only improve in the matches and angles you set up.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That isn't necessarily true.</p><p> </p><p> Every worker has an age (I believe referred to as maturity age) up to which they'll improve naturally outside of matches; it's normally random but can be set in the pre-game editor. As I understand it it's to make sure that even if young workers are left unemployed and not wrestling (outside of the independent and tribute shows) they still get better up to a point.</p><p> </p><p> That said, in general a development company rather than simply appearing on a B-Show will develop most workers overall faster (although the frequent... and somewhat gamey... use of battle royals can change this) than having them appear on a B-Show. As you say however, for more specialised roles B-Show's can be better as they allow you to tailor your development which means especially later in a wrestler's development they can be useful for improving specific stats when a worker still isn't quite ready to be on the full A-Show roster.</p>
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A B-Show will also effect the workers popularity far more then being in development. Slowly but for every region the show airs in, unlike a dev territory which usually has no TV and only shows in its home region. Also B-Shows effect momentum within the company where as Development doesn't. Having to book B-Shows is both an up and downside depending on how you feel about booking a lot more TV.

 


Personally I always go for a B-Show but I also usually set up a dev fed, instead of buying my own I usually just offer more a parent/child relationship.

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Apupunchau@optonline" data-cite="Apupunchau@optonline" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Personally I always go for a B-Show but I also usually set up a dev fed, instead of buying my own I usually just offer more a parent/child relationship.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Great suggestion, why didn't I think of that? <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> EDIT: Well I just tried, but MAW, NYCW and FCW all rejected me <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>
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<p>I've been wanting to start a TCW save for quite some time, but wanted to thoroughly give this thread a read before making the plunge. Thanks to all of the frequent and insightful contributors to this thread. Too many to name all, but I really appeciate the suggestions and input of: Bigpapa42, dbritton987, Teh_Showtime, apupunchau@optonline, juggaloninjalee, christmas_ape, shipshirt, NWAJCP4Ever, Devilb0y, Blake Trask, I Rule Me, Shadowsong, bshankly, bigtplaystew, ampulator, Jaded, LiquidSwords, D-Lyrium and Dragonmack. That's not a complete list but I think I'm stealing the most from people on that list. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

I did many of the suggestions: changed Realism to "low," lowered match lengths for TV to 6/12/24, founded my own development company, and hired a ton of workers to help the backstage & populate development. I also started an alliance with PGHW, NOTBPW, and USPW. SOTBPW refuses to enter into any alliances so we haven't selected our Mexican fed just yet. I didn't start a B-Show in February because I want to build the bank up a bit more first and make sure I can handle all of these new salaries, nevermind the costs of producing another TV show. </p><p> </p><p>

In two months I've had one Vessey failed steriods test. I gave him a "last chance" and his response was "I'll try not to get caught next time!" <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

I've tried using Shawn Doakes as a second announcer thus far right from the beginning of the game with an eye toward replacing Azaria since Doakes' bio says he's probably being groomed to take over play-by-play. While Doakes rocketed from 38 POP to 61 POP across the USA in just two months, he's hurting big Main Event matches by not being up to the task. </p><p> </p><p>

I was, somehow, able to squeak out a win in the National Battle in January with an 84 grade on the Malice in Wonderland PPV compared with an 83 When Hell Freezes over for SWF. SWF did have an 84 rated episode of Supreme TV, but also had a 77, 78, & 81 whereas I managed 82, 80, 79 & 82. </p><p> </p><p>

In February I worked the first talent trade that I actually planned out, getting Nicky Champion for three dates in exchange for Jay Chord and American Patriot (Bulldozer Brandon Smith). The Main Event of The War to Settle the Score was an 89-rated match between Champion and Tommy Cornell, where Tommy forced Champion to submit in a classic cage match. This was after Champion had lost to Wolf Hawkins on Total Wrestling because of interference from Cornell. That little run through the second half of February really made my month and sees Wolf getting the POP gains I need for him to be a solid World Champion. </p><p> </p><p>

Tommy has been stingy, I was able to steal Remo Richardson from SWF near the end of February on slightly more than $20k/month but had to give him Icon status, never lower than Main Event push, and 10% PPV bonus. I was unable to steal Zimmy Bumfhole as Tommy wouldn't go higher than $16k salary and Zimmy wouldn't even consider an offer at those wages unless he had Creative Control, no house shows, and 4 years. That was just too much for me although I kept thinking it would be interesting to be forced to work with Zimmy on a bad (for TCW) contract like that. </p><p> </p><p>

Owner goals are reasonable but will cause some roster changes: </p><p>

</p><ul><li>no debt<br /></li><li>American Buffalo & Sammy Bach must have at least 71 POP in America<br /></li><li>can't hire a wrestler older than 38<br /></li><li>can't hire any psychopaths<br /></li></ul><p></p><p>

With the age restriction, I won't even be able to re-sign American Buffalo (39) but of course the goal will expire before his contract does. A whole bunch of guys might get swept out the door: RDJ, Genghis Rahn, Brent Hill, Joel Bryant, Bryan Vessey and likely John Anderson, Danny Fonzarelli and Bob Casey (all 37) by the time their contracts are up. In a way, it fits perfectly with all of the young, new talent that had to come in to help the backstage. </p><p> </p><p>

In tag-land, I've teamed up C-V-2 and High Concept for runs in TCW, and then the "New Wave Outlaws" of KC Glenn and Ernest Youngman who are going to be a constant pain in the sides of The New Wave while High Concept goes on to battle Texas Buffalo for the belts in the short-term. </p><p> </p><p>

Having a blast so far, thanks again for all of the great advice I'll update here with how this game is going.</p>

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Purple Cowboy" data-cite="Purple Cowboy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Owner goals are reasonable but will cause some roster changes: </p><p> </p><ul><li>no debt<br /></li><li>American Buffalo & Sammy Bach must have at least 71 POP in America<br /></li><li><strong>can't hire a wrestler older than 38</strong><br /></li><li>can't hire any psychopaths<br /></li></ul><p></p><p> With the age restriction, I won't even be able to re-sign American Buffalo (39) but of course the goal will expire before his contract does. A whole bunch of guys might get swept out the door: RDJ, Genghis Rahn, Brent Hill, Joel Bryant, Bryan Vessey and likely John Anderson, Danny Fonzarelli and Bob Casey (all 37) by the time their contracts are up. In a way, it fits perfectly with all of the young, new talent that had to come in to help the backstage. </p><p> </p><p> In tag-land, I've teamed up C-V-2 and High Concept for runs in TCW, and then the "New Wave Outlaws" of KC Glenn and Ernest Youngman who are going to be a constant pain in the sides of The New Wave while High Concept goes on to battle Texas Buffalo for the belts in the short-term. </p><p> </p><p> Having a blast so far, thanks again for all of the great advice I'll update here with how this game is going.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Despite the game triggering the "break owner goal" warning if you extend the contract, it doesn't ACTUALLY break it.</p><p> </p><p> I even just double checked by extending the contracts on two guys whose styles the boss doesn't want me to hire. No change in approval. Then I tried to hire a new guy, approval dropped from Excellent to Average.</p><p> </p><p> It's only when the owner goal explicitly states that you can't hire <em>OR EXTEND the contract of such and such</em> is it a problem.</p><p> </p><p> Long story short, unless you fire all those older gents and then try to rehire them, Tommy will have no issue with you extending their contracts.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Slayen" data-cite="Slayen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Despite the game triggering the "break owner goal" warning if you extend the contract, it doesn't ACTUALLY break it.<p> </p><p> I even just double checked by extending the contracts on two guys whose styles the boss doesn't want me to hire. No change in approval. Then I tried to hire a new guy, approval dropped from Excellent to Average.</p><p> </p><p> It's only when the owner goal explicitly states that you can't hire <em>OR EXTEND the contract of such and such</em> is it a problem.</p><p> </p><p> Long story short, unless you fire all those older gents and then try to rehire them, Tommy will have no issue with you extending their contracts.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Gotcha. Yeah, I just had Bryan Vessey's contract come up and got the warning when I went to negotiate, but he failed another steroids test and so I didn't have to risk anything, I just fired him. Even though he said he would clean himself up (and I see in the editor he is now reformed), he's got a strong dislike of my avatar. And now he's basically untouchable since he's well beyond the age limit (41) and would esentially be a "new hire." Might have to can Cameron Vessey too since he's furious that I fired his uncle. </p><p> </p><p> Interestingly, I'm nearing the end of April and SOTBPW has had a change of heart and will now join the alliance I have with NOTBPW, USPW, and PGHW. I get that overness is important in talent trades, but SOTBPW has rejected Tommy & Wolf for Champagne Lover! I stole Remo from a struggling-since-the-start SWF and he's luckily got great overness in Mexico, so Remo & Sammy Bach is enough to get it done in time to have Champagne Lover available for Where Angels Fear To Tread. </p><p> </p><p> SWF is still in cooldown from the drop from International in February, and The World Is Watching PPV in April got a 79 show rating, featuring a main event of Eric Eisen, Brandon James & Squeeky McClean defeating Vengeance, Jack Bruce & Rogue (80). They've really neutered Bruce, with losses to Eric Eisen, Brandon James, Vengeance, and a no-contest with McClean. His last match on SupremeTV was a 57 against Primus Allen. There also seem to have been a ton of face/heel turns - including Jungle Lord to heel even though still teamed (and currently champions) with face Captain Atomic, and Christian Faith who despite going heel is still working an Old School Face gimmick, apparently, and the Biggins brothers going face while still working Arrogant Heel gimmicks. </p><p> </p><p> I'm kind of getting to a the point where I've exhausted some of the starting overness/storylines which I guess is good with Total Mayhem next month. Hopefully grab a b-show when networks start talking again in May, build up the tag division a bit and start working in some of these guys I have in development. I think there will be a Future Endeavor period right after Total Mayhem too to get the roster manageable.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Well they accomplish two different things. <p> </p><p> The b-show, as I've just found out, doesn't count towards your company's pop one way or the other. So in theory you can treat this as purely developmental, with the advantage being that you actually set up the matchups. This can help you focus specific skill areas to develop young talent.</p><p> </p><p> Guys seem to develop a little faster in developmental companies though. At least to a point. Maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong. But I think guys develop outside of matches too down in developmental. Like just being there they seem to improve in multiple areas at once. Whereas if you call the guys up and just have them on the B-show, they'll only improve in the matches and angles you set up.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I picked up a B show and proceeded to hemorrhage money...do any of you have any advice on how to run the B show profitably?</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="NeoMetsFan" data-cite="NeoMetsFan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I picked up a B show and proceeded to hemorrhage money...do any of you have any advice on how to run the B show profitably?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> See I've only done them when my company was big enough to justify it. I really don't know beyond typical cost-cutting measures. I've never noticed my b-show destroying my company's finances or anything.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>See I've only done them when my company was big enough to justify it. I really don't know beyond typical cost-cutting measures. I've never noticed my b-show destroying my company's finances or anything.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, that's my plan of attack now. I initially started the B-show only a couple of months into my game, which wasn't a very smart plan given TCW's tenuous at best starting finances. To remedy, I deliberately dropped down to Cult and made up the difference. Now, when I get back to national I'll probably re-do the B show with enough money in the bank and popularity to guard against financial loss. You live and learn in this game, I guess.</p>
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<p>anybody knows if a Goldberg-esque type push (a at least 6 month winning streak) would work in TCW ? I really want to push Bulldozer Brandon Smith to the moon when I call him back from devellopmental. Should I use domination and have him squash people under 2 mins ? Or should i just have him win more close and longer match ?</p><p> </p><p>

What do you guys think ?</p>

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jpnator" data-cite="jpnator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>anybody knows if a Goldberg-esque type push (a at least 6 month winning streak) would work in TCW ? I really want to push Bulldozer Brandon Smith to the moon when I call him back from devellopmental. Should I use domination and have him squash people under 2 mins ? Or should i just have him win more close and longer match ?<p> </p><p> What do you guys think ?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> A winning streak will always work. Keep him in storylines to assure high momentum, which will boost match grades. Dominating him up to LMC is a good idea. From that point on you're going to want to more carefully handle his booking as you proceed. Put him with guys who compliment him in the ring and compensate for him on the mic and it's one of the most tried-and-true ways people have pushed young talent in this game (and in the business quite honestly).</p><p> </p><p> Side note: I think 2 minutes is a little low for the domination note but I don't use the note often so I wouldn't swear by it. Have you tried matches that short and have they worked out for you?</p>
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<p>@Bigtplaystew</p><p> </p><p>

Thank you for the help and no I haven't tried anything of the sort yet so I don't know about the match length yet, I will try tonight though !</p><p> </p><p>

@Teh_Showtime</p><p> </p><p>

So are you telling me it that I can't push somebody to the moon on In-ring talent alone ?</p><p>

I guess it makes sense... Why would anybody care about a talented dude who has the charisma of a cereal box ? ...</p>

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>A winning streak will always work. Keep him in storylines to assure high momentum, which will boost match grades. Dominating him up to LMC is a good idea. From that point on you're going to want to more carefully handle his booking as you proceed. Put him with guys who compliment him in the ring and compensate for him on the mic and it's one of the most tried-and-true ways people have pushed young talent in this game (and in the business quite honestly).<p> </p><p> Side note: I think 2 minutes is a little low for the domination note but I don't use the note often so I wouldn't swear by it. Have you tried matches that short and have they worked out for you?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh and another question: so you think a Goldberg who will dominate everyone until mainevent won't work ? </p><p> </p><p> Thanks again !</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jpnator" data-cite="jpnator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>@Bigtplaystew<p> </p><p> Thank you for the help and no I haven't tried anything of the sort yet so I don't know about the match length yet, I will try tonight though !</p><p> </p><p> @Teh_Showtime</p><p> </p><p> So are you telling me it that I can't push somebody to the moon on In-ring talent alone ?</p><p> I guess it makes sense... Why would anybody care about a talented dude who has the charisma of a cereal box ? ...</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> To an extent I guess that's right. I mean who really cared about Dean Malenko? But as far as goldberg type dominate pushes go they don't have to be exceptionally talented, just have good SQ and charisma and they can get over on dominating. But if they dont have the sufficient skills they will start to disappoint once they are forced to have meaningful, competitive matches</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jpnator" data-cite="jpnator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>@Bigtplaystew<p> </p><p> Thank you for the help and no I haven't tried anything of the sort yet so I don't know about the match length yet, I will try tonight though !</p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> OK so when I use dominate (again which isn't very often) the matches are 6 minutes long. I don't know if it can be more or less without incurring too many penalties. But come to think of it I haven't messed with this note in a long time so I'm not the authority on it. I do know that Showtime is right. Your guy needs to have decent charisma and star power to use the "Dominate" note effectively. Maybe Menace too I'm not too sure about that one. </p><p> </p><p> Play around with it though, do a few "test matches" using a save you don't care about. Note which penalties you might or might not incur and bonuses you get to overness, momentum, etc. Unless you think that's cheating :-)</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jpnator" data-cite="jpnator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So are you telling me it that I can't push somebody to the moon on In-ring talent alone ?<p> I guess it makes sense... Why would anybody care about a talented dude who has the charisma of a cereal box ? ...</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Are we talking about a guy with very impressive performance and top row and performance stats but horrible charisma and star quality?</p><p> </p><p> That man will be very difficult (but not impossible) to turn into a huge mega star. In a performance based company especially there's no reason he can't be an important, extremely useful part of your roster. Even in a pop-based fed that dude can make your up and commers look fantastic at big PPVs and can help develop young talent. Not too many of these guys out there but the ones that do come along I grab them up and don't ever, ever let them go. </p><p> </p><p> The Goldberg type push would be used for almost the opposite. You'd use that on a guy who looks great and does well on camera but doesn't look fantastic in the ring. That guy can definitely get over in a big way (especially in a popularity > performance company) as long as his stamina holds up.</p>
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<p>Sammy Bach is one of the most popular guys on the TCW roster in my game yet he is stuck at upper midcard. I noticed that maybe his style was holding him back so I change it to regular wrestler through the editor. Now he is main eventer.</p><p> </p><p>

My question is would you view this as cheating? Also would Bach switching from cruiserweight to regular wrestler improve his match grades?</p>

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<p>Well, you could have just pushed him to Main Eventer if you wanted. No need to be completely beholden to the Auto Push system. It's a guide more than anything.</p><p> </p><p>

Is changing his style 'cheating'? Maybe a little. If you're changing something in the editor, I consider it cheating. In this example, a very, very, very, very mild case. Unless style does things I'm not aware of.</p>

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="LiquidSwords" data-cite="LiquidSwords" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sammy Bach is one of the most popular guys on the TCW roster in my game yet he is stuck at upper midcard. I noticed that maybe his style was holding him back so I change it to regular wrestler through the editor. Now he is main eventer.<p> </p><p> My question is would you view this as cheating? Also would Bach switching from cruiserweight to regular wrestler improve his match grades?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Anytime you're editing the game's balance in your favor... it's cheating the game to give you an unfair advantage. That said, so what? It's your game rock it how you want.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Self" data-cite="Self" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Well, you could have just pushed him to Main Eventer if you wanted. No need to be completely beholden to the Auto Push system. It's a guide more than anything.<p> </p><p> Is changing his style 'cheating'? Maybe a little. If you're changing something in the editor, I consider it cheating. In this example, a very, very, very, very mild case. Unless style does things I'm not aware of.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Well Bach was a cruiserweight and he was more over than Joey Minnesota, Bryan Vessey, and Troy Tornado yet he was still pushed at Upper Midcard. When I changed his style to regular wrestler he auto pushed to main eventer. </p><p> </p><p> I guess I could have just set his push to main eventer instead of changing his style.</p>
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<p>So, how do people deal with Tommy Cornell being such a tightwad?</p><p> </p><p>

I'm in February 2014 of my TCW game and things are going very well. I took over SWF in the rankings sometime towards the end of 2013, won company of the year + most improved company of the year in the end of the year awards and am consistently putting on 90+ rated shows but I haven't been able to poach a single person from SWF. Some of the guys I missed out on include Remo, Angry Gilmore, John Greed, Squeeky McClean... it's lucky that they haven't tried to steal anyone from me because I have a feeling that they would be successful in doing so. </p><p> </p><p>

I'm just curious if anyone has been able to poach a worker from SWF without offering creative control. I don't like to give that because it can come back and bite you in the ass at the worst times.</p>

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<p>I picked up Squeeky McClean once and didn't have to offer any creative control. I did this a year into the game when I passed SWF in the rankings.</p><p> </p><p>

Which brings me to another question, besides the obvious guys(Money, Lobby, Bruce, Bumfholes, Gilmore, Remo, Roberts?, etc) who are the guys from SWF do you covet the most? For me McClean usually is at the top of my list. Never going to be a main event but he's solid performance wise with pretty decent entertainment skills to boot. There's a lot of different uses for him. I also really love to try to poach people like Jungle Lord and Garcia. Both could be solid hands in the midcard(Lord obviously could definitely develop into something more with great star quality and good all around skills as well.)</p>

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