The TCW Thread

[dbritton987]

I thought the same, but no go. It really came as a surprise because in the 2010 game Cornell resigned Hawkins personally, negotiations weren't needed. At least, he did in my game.

 

But Cornell has always been a cheapskate, that's always been the big hump you had to get over with TCW. Granted, it didn't help that SWF offered over 30Gs per month what Cornell was willing to pay.

[christmas_ape]

I've read on here that for a few people they have dropped to Cult due to the economy and industry even though they have been getting good grades. How common is this? Not got the game with me at the moment, but in my save, economy is something like 7 and industry isn't much better, both are still falling. Am I pretty much screwed no matter what I do? Only made it to 4th month so far as it's my diary save but starting to consistently get 80+ for Total Wrestling and last PPV got an 88 but does this barely matter?. If there's nothing I can do to stop it is there anything else I could do? Or is it just a case of making sure my best people have long contracts so they I can keep them on written ones?

[Derek B]

I've read on here that for a few people they have dropped to Cult due to the economy and industry even though they have been getting good grades. How common is this? Not got the game with me at the moment, but in my save, economy is something like 7 and industry isn't much better, both are still falling. Am I pretty much screwed no matter what I do? Only made it to 4th month so far as it's my diary save but starting to consistently get 80+ for Total Wrestling and last PPV got an 88 but does this barely matter?. If there's nothing I can do to stop it is there anything else I could do? Or is it just a case of making sure my best people have long contracts so they I can keep them on written ones?

 

It's nothing to do with the industry/economy, it's actually the values changing for the importance of an area which can do it. In previous games they were fixed, now they can randomly move up or down a little... which means if you are close to the cusp of a size then it can bump you up or down. It's possible to stop that happening by pre-setting the areas in the editor to have a fixed range (so the minimum-current-maximum values would all be the same, making the gameworld more static but also preventing this from happening. I'm actually surprised no-one has a released a mod with just that done, it would probably be fairly popular.

[Teh_Showtime]

Did I read somewhere that putting on great shows in a region can raise it's importance? I am well into first place as TCW right now and could be International if not Global but the Mid Atlantic region won't raise it's importance despite the industry being 96 and rising right now on top of holding my last 2 PPVs there (90 and 90). My importance there has been 70 for the past few months.

 

I guess I'll just have to do it by raising my popularity oh well.

[Derek B]

Did I read somewhere that putting on great shows in a region can raise it's importance? I am well into first place as TCW right now and could be International if not Global but the Mid Atlantic region won't raise it's importance despite the industry being 96 and rising right now on top of holding my last 2 PPVs there (90 and 90). My importance there has been 70 for the past few months.

 

I guess I'll just have to do it by raising my popularity oh well.

 

You probably did read it, but it's wrong. It was originally in the Dev Journal about companies being able to influence it, but Adam realised how that would end up with some regions being very influential, with some being not influential at all, leading ultimately to no-one being able to reach National+ unless every region was going to have coverage.

 

Changes to regional importance are now random, but shouldn't be ablt to move by more than 1 point per month (I think).

[bigtplaystew]

Has anyone had any experience/success with having two "main event" level titles in the same company?

 

I've always had the International title as a "floating" title but the prestige is about 80-ish right now which brings it awfully close to being a main event level title. Should I have my champ drop it to a midcarder? I don't know if there are penalties or anything or if it's just no big deal.

[LiquidSwords]

Has anyone given a Goldberg-like push to Mighty Mo? I'm tempted to do it but he may develop a bad personality from it.

[Teh_Showtime]

Has anyone given a Goldberg-like push to Mighty Mo? I'm tempted to do it but he may develop a bad personality from it.

 

I haven't quite gone all the way with him but I did give him like a month or 2 streak of wins via dominate note and he got really over. He has the skills to benefit from that type of push, but he's even more of a pet project than Rocky Golden was in previous games so it will likely take a good amount of time before he's ready to mix it up with the elite members of the roster.

[kingdracon]

I started a TCW game and got the best luck I've ever had in TEW. No one in time decline and no gimmicks below C...this one's a keeper. Two shows so far--both B's. I know where I want to go since no one's even on their way down. Made just a few signings--Greg Black, KC Glenn, the Gauges, and a few developmental guys.

And Angry Gilmore's contract comes up in two months.

This should be fun. SWF is already at international three weeks in--we'll see how long that lasts.

[christmas_ape]

Something I thought would be interesting is to discuss what some finishers actually are in people's heads. Plus it would help me writing up matches in my diary

 

Some of the things that I've always imagined...

 

Tommy Cornell

Rough Ride: Sheamus/White Noise Finlay/Celtic Cross

Guilt Trip: Almost AA/FU like

 

Wolf Hawkins

Full Moon Rising: Remember reading it in a diary as an Enzuguri, like that idea

 

Rocky Golden

Rocky Road: Razor's Edge/Outsider's Edge

The Rack: Torture Rack

 

Eddie Peak

Peak of Perfection:

Peak of the Devil:

 

Bryan Vessey

Vessey Driver: Death Valley Driver

Vessey Plex: Something like the Perfect Plex

Super Vessey Plex: Same but off top rope

 

Rick Law

Long Arm of the Law: Closeline

Squad Car Slam: Something like a Sidewalk Slam

 

Sammy Bach

Bach on your Back: Backstabber

Adrenaline Shot: maybe a super kick

 

Obviously there is plenty more that it would be interesting to hear people's opinion on but don't want to post a super long list.

[Blake Trask]

I tend to go off Wrestling Spirit where I can, though some moves I change - hence why Edd Stone's 'Party's Over' is always an Impaler DDT as opposed to what it is canonically, which is a sit out jawbreaker something I find to be a really weak finisher.

 

So I guess it's up to interpretation what you would call what move if you're not going 'canon' - the only thing I'd particularly dispute on there is the Guilt Trip, as it's a submission move.

[christmas_ape]

I tend to go off Wrestling Spirit where I can, though some moves I change - hence why Edd Stone's 'Party's Over' is always an Impaler DDT as opposed to what it is canonically, which is a sit out jawbreaker something I find to be a really weak finisher.

 

So I guess it's up to interpretation what you would call what move if you're not going 'canon' - the only thing I'd particularly dispute on there is the Guilt Trip, as it's a submission move.

 

Ah I've never properly played Wrestling Spirit, I'll have to get the demo the check it out and get some of the finishers.

 

Good point with the Guilt Trip! Surprised I'm never realised that, makes a for a better name that way too.

[Teh_Showtime]

<p>How does everyone typically use Aaron Andrews? With Jay Chord now on the roster he seems to be a bit forgotten in terms of a future star.</p><p> </p><p>

Just planned out all of my PPV main events until Total Mayhem 2014 (in August now) and I anticipate him being good enough to main event shows by that time (but he won't yet). I gave him a feud with Troy Tornado that lasted until Total Mayhem where he beat him, it also involved him losing the international title and now he's in the midst of a program with a pushed Eddie Peak (went over RDJ at Total Mayhem) where he will finally win and then that should solidify his popularity at the high B- or low B range.</p>

[shawn_waters]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>How does everyone typically use Aaron Andrews? With Jay Chord now on the roster he seems to be a bit forgotten in terms of a future star.<p> </p><p> Just planned out all of my PPV main events until Total Mayhem 2014 (in August now) and I anticipate him being good enough to main event shows by that time (but he won't yet). I gave him a feud with Troy Tornado that lasted until Total Mayhem where he beat him, it also involved him losing the international title and now he's in the midst of a program with a pushed Eddie Peak (went over RDJ at Total Mayhem) where he will finally win and then that should solidify his popularity at the high B- or low B range.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You could have him turn on Chance Fortune and team WITH Chord...that'd be an awesome team.</p><p> </p><p> Then, Hawkins or Cornell could turn face (since it seems to build to that from the start), and Andrews/Chord could align with the heel...either with Cornell as the Syndicate or with Hawkins as a trio of arrogant young heels (The Future, or something as terribly cliched as that.)</p><p> </p><p> That's how I'd like to use Andrews...dude screams bland babyface, but awesome heel...like Randy Orton with less rest holds.</p>

[Teh_Showtime]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shawn_waters" data-cite="shawn_waters" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You could have him turn on Chance Fortune and team WITH Chord...that'd be an awesome team.<p> </p><p> Then, Hawkins or Cornell could turn face (since it seems to build to that from the start), and Andrews/Chord could align with the heel...either with Cornell as the Syndicate or with Hawkins as a trio of arrogant young heels (The Future, or something as terribly cliched as that.)</p><p> </p><p> That's how I'd like to use Andrews...dude screams bland babyface, but awesome heel...like Randy Orton with less rest holds.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> yeah I could but I think he works better as an individual despite him and Chance vs The Syndicate (Wolf and Tommy) getting me a 94 on TV.</p><p> </p><p> My Syndicate is currently:</p><p> Cornell</p><p> Wolf</p><p> Chord</p><p> Cam Vessey</p><p> Casey Valentine</p><p> </p><p> on my next PPV the main event is a 4 way between Wolf, Tommy, Joey, and Sean McFly for the world title (still Wolf) that Wolf will win, and he will get jumped out of The Syndicate the next night turning face to build to Cornell vs Hawkins at Total Mayhem in 9 months.</p><p> </p><p> Currently my biggest heels are (in order):</p><p> The Syndicate (as a unit all of them, feuding with Minnesota and McFly)</p><p> Nicky Champion (feuding with Rocky Golden)</p><p> Koshiro Ino (feuding with Sammy Bach/Rocky Golden)</p><p> Eddie Peak (feuding with Aaron Andrews)</p><p> </p><p> Once I turn Wolf it will allow for Jay Chord to get a bigger role and elevate him even more, but I will have to find a way to intertwine other feuds into Wolf and The Syndicate.</p><p> </p><p> I will probably turn Minnesota eventually and feud him and Golden while Nicky Champion moves on to Sean McFly</p><p> </p><p> Before I even started this specific game I told myself I would give Wolf an extremely long reign right out of the gate so I'm currently building everything around him. Right now my first thought is to have Jay Chord dethrone Wolf and then kick Cornell from The Syndicate leaving both Tommy and Wolf as faces with the Old MAW Succession as top heels in addition to Champion and Minnesota.</p>

[The Shape]

As opposed to a full-blown Syndicate revival, I've enjoyed starting to handle Hawkins/Cornell as a Joffrey/Tywin Lannister style relationship. With his protege on top Cornell still starts out as the major power, but Hawkins is getting increasingly impetuous and independent from Cornell's advice and stewardship. Instead of The Hound he has Eddie Peak, his new pet monster, who he has interfere not just in his own matches but also in Cornell's, much to his mentor's dismay. Brought in Sean McFly as part of a growing alliance with NOTBPW for two matches. The final show before the first PPV he took on Cornell, with Tommy being very respectful of his past achievements and having an epic, even match until Peak showed up and ruined everything. Then at the PPV Hawkins denigrates McFly and beats him clean in another great match. Cue his ego going through the roof another level and Tommy getting increasingly resentful over the monster that he has created.

[bigtplaystew]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Shape" data-cite="The Shape" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>As opposed to a full-blown Syndicate revival, I've enjoyed starting to handle Hawkins/Cornell as a Joffrey/Tywin Lannister style relationship. With his protege on top Cornell still starts out as the major power, but Hawkins is getting increasingly impetuous and independent from Cornell's advice and stewardship. Instead of The Hound he has Eddie Peak, his new pet monster, who he has interfere not just in his own matches but also in Cornell's, much to his mentor's dismay. Brought in Sean McFly as part of a growing alliance with NOTBPW for two matches. The final show before the first PPV he took on Cornell, with Tommy being very respectful of his past achievements and having an epic, even match until Peak showed up and ruined everything. Then at the PPV Hawkins denigrates McFly and beats him clean in another great match. Cue his ego going through the roof another level and Tommy getting increasingly resentful over the monster that he has created.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> That's a pretty cool approach to the inevitable Wolf/Tommy feud. I like that a lot.</p><p> </p><p> I kind of went the other way when I did it, probably more "typical". I ran a full Syndicate revival with them owning all the titles for years, completely dominating television. This forced a brand split to free other wrestlers from the tyranny of The Syndicate. The storyline went on for a good two years before it ended in what I thought at the time was a super intelligent original storyline idea but I realized watching a nWo DVD recently I completely ripped it off lol. Joey Minnesota was a "lone wolf" babyface against an overwhelming Syndicate membership which also included Troy Tornado, The Keith twins, Killer Shark, and many others. After repeated assaults he reunited with RDJ and began to form an alliance of babyfaces that eventuially got into Wolf's head. They told him he was good enough to stand out on his own, had the matches to be the best of all time but no one would know for sure until he broke away from Cornell, etc. They told him Cornell sent all the "real" contenders to the other brand to protect Wolf's title reign, etc. This caused Wolf to crack a bit which led to him being a more "loose canon" type character. Attacking babyfaces and The Syndicate alike. (Basically I made Sting or more recently AJ Styles I just didn't realize I was ripping all this off lol I thought this was all brilliant original writing on my part). Eventuallly it led to a big series of matches culminating at Total Mayhem and I had a massively successful main event with Hawkins going over Cornell, which was the catalyst towards the destruction of The Syndicate.</p><p> </p><p> In truth, I didn't "need" The Syndicate anymore. Cornell had great tag team chemistry with Troy Tornado so they stayed together, but The Keiths had been pushed up the card so I didn't need to attach them to Cornell anymore. They also went on to be main event babyfaces and did some nice business for me including an 8 month tag team title run.</p>

[kieranforthewin]

<p>My Koshiro Ino has a really low destiny in my game. A 96 A* match with Tommy Cornell didn't move his 68 popularity at all. Oh well him and Cornell don't even have chemistry and I can trust them to give me B+/A/A* and the A* was at Total Mayhem, so I got an A/91 show rating which is amazing, but SWF just rose to international whilst I'm still stuck at National.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

I've got KC Glenn from 0 Pop to 42 popularity in US in 6 months by having him in a bunch of angles saving Joey Minnesotas ass from Rick Law a couple times. KC Glenn has beast stats so I want to get him to Main Event status soon. Jobbing the hell out of Bryan Vessey because I can't be bothered with his Steroid usage, and I don't want to fire him so I'm jobbing him out.</p><p> </p><p>

I'm waiting for Hawkins to be able to turn but it still says he last turn wasn't long ago.</p>

[Sigilistic]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Shape" data-cite="The Shape" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>As opposed to a full-blown Syndicate revival, I've enjoyed starting to handle Hawkins/Cornell as a Joffrey/Tywin Lannister style relationship. With his protege on top Cornell still starts out as the major power, but Hawkins is getting increasingly impetuous and independent from Cornell's advice and stewardship. Instead of The Hound he has Eddie Peak, his new pet monster, who he has interfere not just in his own matches but also in Cornell's, much to his mentor's dismay. Brought in Sean McFly as part of a growing alliance with NOTBPW for two matches. The final show before the first PPV he took on Cornell, with Tommy being very respectful of his past achievements and having an epic, even match until Peak showed up and ruined everything. Then at the PPV Hawkins denigrates McFly and beats him clean in another great match. Cue his ego going through the roof another level and Tommy getting increasingly resentful over the monster that he has created.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I really like this approach and am stealing it for my new TCW game. However, I'm going to replace Eddie Peak with his protege Killer Shark. Peak's a known commodity, whereas Shark is a rookie in desperate need of someone over to latch on to. I figure hitching him to Hawkins' star will be a good way to build overness without having to expose him in high profile matches.</p><p> </p><p> My plan is to call the group the Triple Threat: Killer Shark's power, Tommy Cornell's cunning and Wolf Hawkins' skill. They'll be unstoppable, until Hawkins goes the full Joffrey. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Sigilistic]

<p>I've started a new TCW game and I think I've come up with a number of ways to make running that promotion easier.</p><p> </p><p>

First off, there's damage control. </p><p> </p><p>

TCW has dwindling financial reserves, is teetering on the brink of Cult and has a cancerous locker room. This is not the time for half measures or gradual changes. If you do not take steps to address that locker room, you WILL drop to Cult. Before you can cement your overness and the financial support that comes with it, you need to improve your ratings.</p><p> </p><p>

This thread already has a number of suggested hires to improve the locker room. Use them. Hire Cameron Vessey, Greg Black, the Keith boys. Hire Tracy Brendon to manage her husband. Hire Ed Monton and then hire his son. You need all the positive influences you can get. Yes, you'll be spending lots of money but look at it as an investment in the future of your company. And it's not as if Vessey, Black, Keith et al are terrible workers. They come loaded with talent and story potential.</p><p> </p><p>

Another way to boost morale: Bribe your workers. It's spendy, but I pay my wrestlers a Match of the Night bonus after each PPV, commensurate with the quality of the match. Give me an 88 match, I'll reward you with $8,800. Likewise, after Total Mayhem I give all my workers a bonus commensurate with their average performance that year. This does wonders to build morale and also buy you some good will when you need to job out your primadonnas.</p><p> </p><p>

TCW bills itself as the anti-SWF. Embrace that. You aren't sports entertainment. But remember, you aren't NOTBPW either. If you try and beat them at that game, you'll lose. The U.S. market is strongly Mainstream, so you'll want storylines. They just have to be wrestling focused. Here's what I do.</p><p> </p><p>

Make divisions. You've got your Heavyweight division, your All Action division and your Tag Team division. Scrap the International title, or unify it with the Heavyweight. Keep your divisions separate. You'll be tempted to job out your tag and All Action guys to your top heavyweights. Don't. If you want those divisions to gain respectability and overness, they need to be treated as equals. That doesn't mean they get the same billing, but you want to preserve the illusion that each championship is worth pursuing on its own merits.</p><p> </p><p>

You're a wrestling focused promotion, so wins MATTER. Steal a page from SHIMMER. Win three consecutive matches and earn a title shot. The match has to fit within that division's parameters: Singles matches for All Action and Heavyweight workers and tag team matches for...well...tag teams. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Win three matches and you earn a title shot. Bam. Instant drama. Suddenly, matches you might've booked as throwaways can become critical moments. </p><p> </p><p>

BUT. Certain workers should be considered standing contenders for the title. Guys like Tommy Cornell and Rocky Golden. They're never not going to be a threat to the belt. So let's call these people Elite. Any former champion (plus the champ, though that matters less) is considered Elite. They can at any time, within reason, challenge for the title. </p><p> </p><p>

THEN. To add a little excitement to things, make it so Elites can lose other Elites no problem but if they lose to a non-Elite, it's an Upset. Three upsets, like three strikes, and you're out of the Elites. You've lost a step, you need to up your game. Only winning the belt again will get you back into the Elites. Bam. More drama. Now a tag team like The New Wave loses two tag team matches to an unElite team in a row and there's the will they?/won't they? drama of whether they'll keep their Elite status or fall from grace.</p><p> </p><p>

It's critical that you get a B show as soon as possible. You really don't want the likes of Killer Shark or Elliot Thomas cluttering up your A show card, or dragging it down. This also is the show that you run your less important matches. Your squashes and your matches between folks with no consecutive wins to their name.</p><p> </p><p>

Your A show is for the big stuff. The title feuds. Your main event feuds. Don't be afraid to be generous with the time allotment for matches and angles, because you're giving the fans who they want to see.</p><p> </p><p>

Anyway, just some suggestions based off my strategy for running TCW. I've been having a lot of fun with it, and this system has done wonders to inspire me for story ideas. Hope it helps!</p>

[20LEgend]

Good post, interesting.

[Dalnath]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Sigilistic" data-cite="Sigilistic" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> TCW has dwindling financial reserves, is teetering on the brink of Cult and has a cancerous locker room. This is not the time for half measures or gradual changes. If you do not take steps to address that locker room, you WILL drop to Cult. Before you can cement your overness and the financial support that comes with it, you need to improve your ratings.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> This is the main problem I have with TCW. To fix the disastrous backstage rating you either have to:</p><p> </p><p> A. Fire the workers that have bad attitudes. This seems like such a waste because many of them are so talented.</p><p> </p><p> or</p><p> </p><p> B. Go on a mass hiring spree. I dislike doing this because you end up with too many wrestlers on your roster. Not only does cost you more money but it's impossible to come up with something for all of them to do and most of them will just get lost in the shuffle...</p><p> </p><p> Still, I'm tempted to give TCW another go after reading your post. I like the 'three wins for a title shot' and 'Elite' ideas.</p>

[Irish Wolf]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Weezy_F_baby" data-cite="Weezy_F_baby" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34911" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Also I disagree with havin Bs shows, as your show is only rated on the Last two matches and your best angle, and B shows drastically lowers popularity gain.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think you miss understand what he means by B Show. Not a B rated show but a secondary show for lowercard workers. A show that nobody will complain if they miss, that doesn't effect your popularity in anyway whether its good or bad. But it is a place you can show case your lowercard workers so they can gain overness by putting on matches above their level but that would be detrimental to your A-Show while also gaining some momentum for wins there. Got a couple of midcarder who are losing momentum because thye are losing on your A-Show, put them in a story on your B-Show where they are winning and they'll build overness and momentum that can be drained by your main guys on your A-Show.</p>

[Irish Wolf]

I understood what he meant, but I never saw the need for a B show when having lower card guys wrestler before the last two matches of the A show won't effect the score all that much, or really any at all. You can still build momentum with those guys, just don't let them wrestler a bigger star until you ready to milk them.

 

But losing matches even on your A show, kills the recent fortunes of any person who loses to much. So if all you have these guys are doing is losing on your A show their going to start having bad recent fortunes. Since recent fortunes doesn't effect openers and Enhancement talents you have your Lower Midcard and Midcard guys beat your Openers and Enhancement talents on your B-Show thus lessening their chances of getting bad recent fortunes.

 

Also who doesn't want a show you can put matches that would otherwise drag your A Show down with but still gain pop and momentum for the guys in the match. Its basically giving up the shot at free momentum and overness. It also allows you to put guys in angles you wouldn't otherwise want on your A-Show to build their Entertainment skills as well. And since a lot of your midcard guys will be pulling double duty losing on your A Show and winning on your B show they're going to see steeper in ring skill gains then your ME and UM guys who are only wrestling on your main show and you Opener and Enhancement guys who should rally only be wrestling on your B Show.

[Teh_Showtime]

B shows also let you double/triple/quadruple your weekly tag experience gain if you play like me.

 

I try not to be too gamey, but 2 pre and main show matches per week builds xp fast